Springtime, Sourdough, and chilling out on the slopes.
This is Joy & Claire Episode 118: Sourdough Cameo
Episode Date: March 17, 2022
Transcription Completed: April 21, 2022
Audio Length: 54:19 minutes
Joy: Hey guys, this is Joy.
Claire: And this is Claire.
Joy: Welcome back to another week of fun and time change. Here we are again.
Claire: Here we are again. Why? Daylight savings time, why is it even a thing?
Joy: We ask this question every year.
Claire: Every year.
Joy: Never get a good answer. The only people who know how to do it is Arizona because we don’t change the time in Arizona.
Claire: You say “we” as if you live there. Joy identifies as Arizonan… Arizonian… how do you say it?
Joy: Arizonian? Arizonan? I don’t know.
Joy: The slang was a “Zonie.”
Claire: Joy identifies as a Zonie during daylight savings weekend only.
Joy: Only. Then and only then.
Claire: Then and only then.
Joy: All the other stuff, they’ve got some catching up to do. Do you hear that, Arizona? Listen up. Don’t like what’s going on over there. Anyway.
Joy: Time change.
Claire: Time change. Pie Day.
Joy: Pie Day. Happy birthday, Brandon.
Claire: Happy birthday, Brandon.
Joy: Are you celebrating? What’s going on?
Claire: We went out to the fanciest dinner I’ve ever gone to in my life on Saturday night. We went to Corrida in Boulder.
Joy: Wait. Not fancier than Mozza?
Claire: No. Let me rephrase. Most expensive dinner gone out to.
Joy: I was going to say, how dare you.
Claire: No. I think that dinner is a core memory at this point.
Joy: Such a core memory. Still want to find Michael, the waiter. I still want to find him.
Claire: I want to go back, but I don’t want to go back.
Joy: I know. Because you just want to replay everything and have it be the exact same.
Claire: I just want to live in this golden glow moment in my mind as the last thing that happened before COVID. We saw Patton Oswalt from across the room. Anyway.
Joy: Oh, Patton Oswalt.
Claire: Anyway, we went to Corrida in Boulder. Which if you’re looking for an extremely expensive, fancy date night in Boulder, Corrida is a great option. It’s a Spanish steakhouse. Brandon had a 120-day-aged New York strip steak. Which Brandon is not a New York strip steak type of guy. For all of you steak enthusiasts out there, you know that a New York strip is a tougher cut of steak. Brandon is a tenderloin guy. He wants a melt in your mouth experience, and you’re not going to get that with a New York strip. So it was good, but it wasn’t unbelievably good.
Joy: Just tough on the jaw? A lot of chewing?
Claire: It’s a little gamey, especially when it’s been dry aged that long. Some people really like that and that’s what they’re going for. And it was a really interesting flavor because of the dry aging. I had the sturgeon, which I feel bougie just saying. But it was very good. All that to say, we thoroughly celebrated his birthday Saturday night, and then we also had a cake last night. We had a couple friends over, had burgers, and did a cake. And then I did a pie today because it’s Pie Day. We’ll probably put some candles in that tonight. I also have my pie sweatshirt on.
Joy: Sure do.
Claire: I have this blue crewneck sweatshirt with a little embroidered piece of pumpkin pie with a dollop of cream on top.
Joy: Where did you get that again?
Claire: It’s from the gal who wrote The Book on Pie. She had a limited-edition collection that released with Food 52, that site.
Joy: Andy, right? Is it Andy?
Claire: Erin McDowell.
Joy: Erin McDowell. I wanted to say Andie. Andie MacDowell is an actress. [laughing]
Claire: Ally McBeal?
Claire: Her? Uh, yeah, I love this sweatshirt. I normally only wear it – like it’s a great sleeping sweatshirt, or I wear it to the gym at 4 in the morning, 5 in the morning – which this morning was 4 in the morning. Then today I got to actually wear it. I was like, it’s Pie Day. I get to wear my – literally, this is a soft, cozy sweatshirt. This is not a dress up or dress down sweatshirt. This is like pajamas. So it’s Pie Day. I made a pumpkin pie. Before we hit record, I was like, we just got to talk about this. We were talking about the different types of pies. And you know, people think about apple pie as the standard type of pie. But apple pie is by far one of the most labor-intensive pies out there. Because you have to peel the apples, you have to cut them, you have to cook them separately, you have to make the whole filling. There’s two crusts involved. It’s almost always got a crust on the top as well. You have to make twice as much crust.
Joy: And there’s no pre-made filling you can buy for apple pie.
Claire: I mean, I’m sure there is. I’m sure someone sells frozen apple pie filling.
Joy: That’s just not as good.
Claire: Not the same. I don’t like peels in my apple pie. Some people are fine with it. I’m not into peels in my apple pie. A tiny bit, if you miss it.
Joy: A sliver, but I don’t want to be gnawing on a peel. Yeah, I agree.
Claire: And I like my apple slices pretty small. I don’t love apple pie, though. I don’t love the texture of baked apple.
Joy: Yeah, that’s a good point. You either love it… there’s something to the it’s not too soft but a little too hard.
Claire: I don’t know, I don’t love it or hate it. I’m very neutral on apple pie. But it’s far from my favorite.
Claire: So last year on Pie Day for Brandon’s birthday, I made an apple pie. It actually was so cute because I took the dough and as I was rolling out the crust, I put a bunch of rainbow sprinkles in it and rolled the rainbow sprinkles into the crust for the topper. So it was this lattice dough that had these little rainbow sprinkles, and it was so cute. But it didn’t really change the fact that apple pie is sort of meh. So I made a pumpkin pie this year because pumpkin pie is my favorite. And then Brandon’s whole life that I’ve known him, he’s always told me that apple pie is his favorite. So I always laboriously make him an apple pie. And then yesterday he was like, “Pumpkin pie is my favorite.” No, pumpkin pie is my favorite. But if you want it to be your favorite, that’s great because more pumpkin pie for us.
Joy: All these years.
Claire: All these years. And he was like, “Maybe my attitude changed.” That’s fine. You can change yourself. You can learn and grow and adapt to be a pumpkin pie person. People really underestimate pumpkin pie because it’s so easy. You par bake the crust, which is so easy. It’s just one step. You just mix ingredients together and then pour in the pie crust, and then you bake it. Pies can be complex because of the varying degrees. Timing the crust with the filling. And the varying degrees – sometimes you have to partially pre-bake the crust, sometimes you have to partially pre-bake the filling. The list goes on and on. Sometimes you have more than one type of filling. Pumpkin pie is just a one stop shop. Mix it in a bowl, pour it in, bake it, good to go. That’s what I made. I would also argue that it’s the best breakfast pie, if anyone was asking. Which I know you are.
Joy: I’m just laughing because I think Scott’s in the backyard doing something. I just looked behind me – listeners, you can’t see this, but I have a window behind me. I just saw on the screen that Scott’s doing stuff in the shed. It is prime yard work season. It’s starting. So he gets real excited. This is where we’re at in our lives where he just gets so excited to go do yard work.
Claire: It’s honestly like bears coming out of hibernation. Husbands opening the shed.
Joy: [laughing] Totally. I think he just went to Home Depot and bought another tool. What tool could we possibly need?
Claire: Guys, for context. Her backyard is like nonexistent. It is like a strip of gravel.
Joy: But he’s doing stuff in the front yard. I’m sure there’s stuff he needs to… oh my gosh, sorry, I just got distracted because I was like, what is he doing? But happy Pie Day.
Claire: And it is. Spring is springing. Even though we’re going to get snow again on Wednesday. But March snow is not the same thing as February snow. Spring is springing. We have had to endure daylight savings time. But it does mean that it’s light later. Even though it means that the mornings are cold and dark again.
Joy: I’m really proud of how many reels we’ve produced since – when did we do this? Two weeks ago? We’ve been really on the reels train.
Claire: Sometimes we post three reels per day at certain times.
Joy: I’m finding for as resistant as I was at first, I’m like, actually reels are so much easier to post than a photo. Because photos have to perfect, like the setup. You have to get some perfect angle. Sometimes it’s hard to think of what do you post for a photo. Reels are so much easier to string together a video.
Claire: Because you just copy other people.
Joy: Yeah. Well that and you’re just like, oh, instead of me taking a photo of whatever product or thing that I want to take a photo of, it’s much more productive to make a video and put it to music. So I’m coming around.
Claire: Yeah. We’re going strong. So how are you feeling now that the dark depths of winter are ending?
Joy: it’s so weird to think about. Someone mentioned that two years ago today is when the pandemic shutdown happened. And that’s very weird to think about.
Claire: Right, like the first stay at home orders were executed on this day in Colorado.
Joy: Yes. And that kind of trips me up a little bit. Someone asked a question on our Q&A, which we’ll get to in a second. But it’s relevant now. Someone asked a question just in terms of mental health of what I think the long-lasting effects will be from the pandemic on our mental health. And all I can say is just from the people I am talking to right now is that we just kind of went into survival mode, whatever that looked like for your family. You just had to figure things out. And after the fact, because you went into survival mode – and again, this is just the people I’ve talked to. I’m not the end all be all of this topic.
Claire: Since these people have elected to listen to our podcast, we can assume that they value our opinion on some topics in some circumstances.
Joy: I always make sure that, like this is not the end all be all. But I talk to a lot of people about this. And because we went into survival mode, you just did what you had to do. What was in front of you. You didn’t really have time, especially parents, especially children going to schools. Mothers all of the sudden having to step up and do 50 million jobs on top of the 50 million jobs they are already doing. And you just didn’t have time. You make it work. If you were to stop one of the balls juggling, then everything is going to fall. So you’re like, I just have to keep this going. But I think after two years and the ebb and flow and all things changing, whether it be school is on, now school’s off. Alright these kids have to wear masks. Now they don’t wear masks. Everybody makes it political. And people don’t want to wear masks. Having gone through that, I do feel like collectively there’s a reflection that’s happening right now where people are just like a stun gun, like, what just happened? People aren’t realizing how much those tiny – not tiny, but everyday things that were happening and decisions you were having to make are and were so taxing on your body and your mind and your soul. So there’s kind of this great realization of, “Yeah.” It’s almost like they didn’t realize how hard it was until I point it out. I’m like, “Do you realize what you just went through?” Then on top of anything else that people are dealing with. If they have lost somebody or they went through something really difficult or some people I’m talking to who were in the Colorado fires are like, “Oh yeah, I just feel like I can’t catch a break.” You just don’t know what hit you, type of thing. I think long term, I don’t know the answer to that. But what I’m seeing is where you take a step back – almost like a marathon where you’re like I can’t believe I just did that. And oh my gosh, I’m so tired. People aren’t realizing how hard that is on your mind body, and soul. If you’re feeling drained, if you’re feeling exhausted, if you’re feeling sad, realize that you did just go through this marathon. It did take a toll on you. But I think because we’re in this world where everybody went through it, people are like, well I guess I just need to be okay. Everyone else went through it. It’s like, no, you yourself have to step back and realize how hard that was for you. This isn’t to compare with anybody else. But I think it’s just recognizing that what you did was really, really difficult.
Claire: I think also recognizing that a lot of people are still in it. You guys know how we feel about vaccines. We’re all vaccinated. Evie cannot be vaccinated. She is three years old. The data and studies for kids under five, that goal post feel like it keeps moving. We are really lucky – I’ve said this a bunch – that no one in our household is high risk. But we have a lot of high-risk people that are immediately adjacent to us. We now have Miles going to school every day without a mask. We all have colds now. Everyone in my family has had the crud, has had it for three weeks, ever since masks went away. Almost four weeks at this point. We do at-home COVID tests. They are always negative. It’s literally like, yeah, this is what life is like when you have a gross kid in a gross kindergarten classroom. Because kindergarteners are gross. But Evie can’t be vaccinated. We have high risk people immediately adjacent to us. I know a lot of people who either they do have high risk people in their household or they themselves are really high risk, and they are still sitting here feeling like, “Hey wait a minute, this isn’t over yet for us.” Everyone else is saying, “Okay, we made it.” Yeah, it’s important to process it, and it’s important to recognize that it’s been a really hard two years. And I also think it’s important to recognize that for a lot of people, this is not in their rearview mirror. Those people are just as tired, if not more tired, than the rest of us.
Joy: Yeah. And emotionally, people who lost loved ones are still so angry. Understandably so. I will talk to people who are just like, “I can’t believe that vaccines were political all of the sudden, and the virus was political. And I lost a loved one. I have to sit here and think that their life could have been saved if so-and-so would have taken it seriously.” There’s so much processing that’s still happening. I think that you’re right. A lot of people are in different stages of it. There’s a lot of people who their health is compromised, so they are still worried about the virus. It’s very layered. I know your original question was just how are we feeling after the winter. But I can’t help but think too that now it feels like every month is a comparison to where we were last year and the year before. So then I think about the pandemic. So it’s really hard to just think about where life was normally three years ago. I wonder if that will always be the case.
Claire: Yeah, I think it will be interesting. I feel like I barely even remember what it was like before. We’ve just been in that mindset for so long. It’s interesting. Even though I know that this two-year landmark is a really big one, I don’t feel like I’m marking the passage of time anymore based on how long it’s been since thing shut down. To me, I think that was the first recognition that I had that we weren’t ever going to “go back” was when I stopped thinking, oh, it’s been three months or six months or a year since the last time I did x, y, z. Now those anniversaries or those moments, they don’t really feel significant to me anymore. It’s just like, yeah. It’s kind of like after you graduate from college, you used to be like, “Oh my gosh, I can’t believe I’ve been out of college for six months already.” And then after a couple years, it stops being relevant in that way.
Joy: It feels like there were moments where we all feared that we were going to go back to how it was in the beginning where everything shut down. I don’t think that’s every going to happen. You never know, but I don’t think that’s going to happen just because now we have the knowledge and ability – what the hell are you doing? [laughing] It looks like you’re kneading some bread.
Claire: That’s exactly what I’m doing.
Joy: [laughing] Oh my God. I’m not going to be able to recover from that. [laughing] Oh my God, you guys. So all of the sudden I’m talking and I see Claire’s hand go near her desk and start moving around. Are you making something?
Joy: And then she lifts up an entire jar of bread dough.
Claire: I’m kneading my bread.
Joy: Nothing like multitasking. I needed to be prepared for that. That was so funny. Oh my gosh. My stomach hurts.
Claire: I was trying to be low key about it and kept it under the table. Tears are streaming down my face.
Joy: My stomach hurts. God, I don’t even know what I was talking about. But I don’t think we’re ever going to go back. I know that we’re never going to go back to the complete shutdown. I know a lot of people were really worried about that. So at least we have some knowledge and we’ve lived and learned with all of that. It’s just like before the pandemic and after the pandemic. For people who are alive during all of this. I always think that maybe one day our podcast will be in some kind of time capsule and people from a hundred years from now will find it and be like, “Those girls. Wow, they were really ahead of their time.”
Joy: No, we were just living during a pandemic.
Claire: I would like to clarify to people. If anybody out there is a sourdough maker, you know –
Joy: Please. Let’s change topics. We need to know what type of bread you’re making.
Claire: So I have my bowl of my dough. I started it a couple hours ago. It went through the first autolyse. Then I kind of forgot about it, and I let it go too long between stretches and folds. So I had to bring it down with me during the podcast because I can’t let it go a whole hour. You’re supposed to do it like every 30 minutes, so I had to do it. As you were talking, I was like, this is a good moment. I am not going to talk for a minute. I’ll stretch and fold my bread. I was trying to be covert. It didn’t work.
Joy: I was like, is she petting something? Oh my God, that was so great. So great. That’s a moment I wish I had – actually, we do. This does record video. And I am absolutely going to be clipping this and playing it. Some people are like, “You should release it on YouTube.” That is so much work. And people don’t want to just sit and watch us talk, do they? I guess they do. Maybe like two people. Alright, let me take a quick pause. We had a guest a couple weeks ago. Sara Gross with Feisty Media. We talked a little bit about the Women’s Performance Summit. She wanted our listeners to get a discount. So if you are interested in going to the Women’s Performance Summit, it’s the weekend of March 25th. It’s a whole weekend of speakers, experts on female training.
Claire: Is it online?
Joy: Yeah, it’s all online. You can go to livefeisty.com. The discount will be $50 off the annual pass. That just means that you get access to replays for the full year. So if you can’t attend that weekend, you can just replay it. Tons of great speakers. They have all the speakers listed on their website. The code is JoyandClaire.
Claire: And you’re speaking too, right?
Joy: I’m on a panel. I’m on the panel for the opening after the keynote. Amelia Boone is the keynote. So I’m going to be on a panel on Friday evening, March 25th. You can join. I’m going to speaking on mental health. Should be a good time. They have a lot of great speakers, so highly recommend it. Go check it out.
Claire: Okay. I know we wanted to catch up on a little bit of Q&A from two weeks ago. Other than that, we have… I’m just trying to think of other fun stuff coming up that we wanted to talk about. One thing I was thinking. I’m curious from people out there who are into outdoor sports. I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. So you guys know I like to ski. But I’m a pretty bad skier for all intents and purposes. I’ve been skiing for 30 years. You’d think I’d be really good. I’m not really good. The main problem is that I don’t really like to go fast. But so I go with people, and I get so self-conscious. Two weeks ago, my company did a ski day. Because that’s the kind of company that I work for. We all went up to Winter Park. Finally, I was like, I don’t want to go hard. I don’t want to try hard. I don’t want to try that hard. I want to have a fun time. I don’t want to be tired. So I literally was like, I’m staying on these short blues. And so many people were like, “Yes, thank you. Let’s stay on the short blues.”
Joy: Explain to people who aren’t skiers what short blue means.
Claire: So ski runs are rated from green, which is the easiest, blue, which is intermediate, black, which is expert, and double black, which his extreme.
Claire: Double black typically means that there is an area with rocks. It’s in bounds, in the sense that it’s part of a resort and if you fell ski patrol would come get you. It is not likely to be an avalanche. But apart from that, it’s very unmanaged terrain typically. Although sometimes double blacks are just super-duper steep and icy or really bumpy. And then obviously the longer a run is, the harder it is. And conversely, the shorter it is the lower the rank is. So sometimes you’ll be on a run that’s really, really steep, but if it’s short it will be classified as a blue instead of a black because it’s over quickly. So saying I want to go on a short blue is basically, I am not looking for the easiest run out there, but far from the hardest run out there. I’m not out here to try and prove anything. It was so nice to just say that and not – I mean, I went with people that I work with, so I didn’t really care if these people think if I’m a good skier or not. When I used to work at Vale, I really cared if people thought I was a good skier because I worked for the ski resort company. And I would just try so hard, and I would be so embarrassed the whole time. And finally the time, I was like, I’m going to the short blues. And so many other people were like, “Thank you for saying that. Can we please stay on the short blues?” I’m curious for people out there who do similar types of sports, or even I wonder if this is how it is with running too. How many people out there are like, hey listen. I’m just going to hang out with my 13-minute mile pace. You guys can go do whatever you want. You can go pace yourself. Fartlek your heart’s out. I’m going to stick with my 13-minute pace.
Claire: That’s how it’s pronounced, right?
Claire: I love it.
Joy: I do too. I really thought you were going to be like, “farting around,” and you say fartlek. And every single time there’s a fartlek, you think it’s going to be a fart joke.
Claire: Yeah, no. It’s a real word that means something to runners. You guys are weirdos. I was thinking about that, and I’m just curious. I feel like getting to that place where I can just say, “I’m not here to try hard” is so huge for me as a representation of just, here’s what I have to bring to the table and I’m not here to try hard.
Joy: Remember when we went to Costa Rica? Of course you do. That was one of the best trips ever. And I really want to do another trip at some point in our future. Maybe for our ten year. But remember when we got there and Donny was thinking that we wanted to work out all the time? And we were like, let’s be clear. We don’t really care about working out on our vacation. And everyone else was like, “Yes!” We did some workouts, but we wanted it to just be totally no pressure. Just fun and move. Some people wanted to work out, and then we didn’t care if you didn’t want to work out. It was just so funny how once you give permission – because people think you have to be hardcore all the time – everyone is like, “Oh my gosh, thank you. I just want to go lay out by the pool.”
Claire: It just has to be someone –
Joy: One person.
Claire: To say, “I don’t want to do that. That sounds hard.”
Joy: Yeah. Everyone is thinking it. You be the person to say it.
Claire: You don’t want to be the person who everyone is like, “You’re being lazy. You’re not hardcore.” No, I am not hardcore. Let it be known.
Joy: I think there’s a lot of people out there that are just like, “Let’s go do the fun run and legit have fun.”
Claire: Yeah. Let’s not do the fun run. Let’s just not.
Joy: As a former fun runner and used to want to win the warmup, being a reformed person like that. I guess if I was put in a situation, I would still push myself a little bit, but I definitely don’t put the pressure to win the race. I used to. Oh my gosh, I used to want to so bad. It gets exhausting. It just gets tiring. At the end of the day, you just want to be like, I’m tired. I want to take a nap. I want to garden. I want to work in my garden. I want to walk my dog.
Claire: I agree. I remember being in my 20’s oh so many years ago when thinking those things, even just thinking them, I would feel this twinge of guilt or shame about like, oh my gosh – this really showed up around workout habits. “I’m just lazy.” And I would completely just think I don’t care enough about myself. Or if I’m not constantly chasing the next PR or not constantly trying the next diet or whatever, then that must mean I don’t care about myself because this is what self-care looks like. Self-care looks like constantly just beating yourself up for not spending every extra ounce of willpower to change your circumstances. Whatever that may be. And I think that’s really the key. So many of us think that if you are not constantly striving to change your circumstances, whether that’s buying a different house, getting a different job, lose weight, blah blah blah, grow your hair. I don’t know. Laminate your eyebrows. Which every time I see someone with a laminated eyebrow, I’m like, when I was in middle school, we used to call that something. We used to call it, “Your eyebrows are raining. [UNSURE if raining or reigning 00:26:19.12] Smooth them out.”
Joy: What’s laminating your…?
Claire: Oh you know. The girls you love on Instagram do this. The Streicher Sisters where they spike them up.
Joy: Oh, where they push them up? Okay.
Claire: But then they perm them there.
Claire: It’s a thing. You can do your eyebrows like stuck there forever.
Claire: Like Albert Einstein.
Claire: More power to you guys if you’re out there listening to this with laminated eyebrows and feeling called out. I just think it’s one of those trends where I see people doing it and I’m like, huh?
Joy: I’m kind of getting to this place where I’m growing out my eyebrows. I don’t really pluck them much anymore. I’m getting lazy, but whatever.
Claire: See. There it is. This must mean I’m lazy. It doesn’t mean your lazy.
Joy: [laughing] That’s true. That’s totally true. I didn’t even plan to say that, you guys. I literally just was like –
Claire: Joy just logged that softball right to me. Why does that have to mean you’re lazy?
Joy: Oh, that’s really funny.
Claire: It doesn’t have to mean anything. It’s not even, “Oh, it can mean something else.” No, it just doesn’t have to have any meaning.
Joy: No, no.
Claire: I remember having this revelation around the time after Miles was born. I finally got to a point where I was like, I don’t care how much I weigh. I say this from a huge standpoint of thin privilege that even at my heaviest and when I’ve been in the biggest version of my body, it still was within thin standards. So I know that’s coming from a big place of privilege. But I remember getting to a point and having this ah-ha moment of I just don’t care. I just don’t have to care. Before, that would have so strongly meant that I was giving up or that I didn’t care about myself. In fact, not caring was the biggest thing I could do to care about myself.
Joy: Yeah. Like, the most liberating. And you just kind of start to question, what the heck am I paying attention to?
Claire: Right. Why am I spending so much time worrying about this? I’m worrying about whether or not I’m worrying about it.
Joy: It’s simple to say that, but I also realize that the diet culture is a nasty MOFO. It’s so tangly. You can’t just turn it off.
Claire: It’s caught up in everything.
Claire: We talk about all the examples I just gave. Some of them are diet culture. Some of them are capitalism. Some of them are patriarchy. Some of them are you have what you want your body to look like, but let’s talk about whether or not you feel like you constantly need to be getting a bigger and better house, whether you feel like you constantly need to be getting a bigger and better job, whether or not your feel like you have to apply for that promotion. Because if you don’t apply for that promotion, then that means you’re not motivated and you don’t want to move up in the world. Even if it’s a job that you would hate. All of that is capitalism, patriarchy. It is “win at all cost.” It is this standard that we just don’t question because we think if I am not constantly striving, then something is wrong with me. That goes from your career all the way down to your hobbies. And I am realizing that. That feeling of constantly not being willing to raise my hand and be like, I don’t want to do those hard ski runs. Those aren’t fun for me. I don’t want to try that hard. This is supposed to be fun outdoor time with my friends. Not, “Am I going to die today?” experience.
Joy: Right, right. And pushing yourself because you’re like, I just don’t want to be the “weak” one. Or I don’t want to look lazy.
Claire: Right, I don’t want to be the slow one. And that is a huge one for me, not wanting to be the slow one. I don’t want to be the person everyone is waiting for. That’s the big thing. I don’t want to be the person everyone is waiting for. That to me is one of my biggest insecurities. And finally I was like, why do I care? If they don’t want to wait, then I will just meet them at the bottom. I’ll just be by myself and cruise around and –
Joy: Have fun. Sing songs. Did you see the viral video that was going around last week? Did you see the one with Kim Kardashian? I always laugh when I ask you that.
Claire: Oh, where she was talking about how people need to work hard.
Joy: Women need to work.
Claire: And people just don’t want to work these days.
Joy: Yeah. People just don’t want to work. I think it was a little bit – I don’t know if it was taken out of context. It kind of seemed like it went viral a little bit out of context. I also think that people just like to cause controversy with the Kardashians for whatever reason. Do you have an opinion about that at all? About what she said.
Claire: I think the reality is that celebrities are not real life. She may think that she’s giving really good advice, but her life is not real life, and I don’t think that she realizes that. I don’t care how hard you’re working. Hard work is not a substitute for privilege. Her version of hard work probably still requires someone else to do a lot of the basic things in her house. Her version of hard work comes from a standpoint of being completely able bodied. There’s just so much that goes into that statement. Yeah, sure, it’s tone deaf. More than anything, I think once people are at that level of wealth that long, they lose touch with what it’s actually like to live in the real world. They really do. We’ve seen it. We’ve known people like that. I’m sure if you’ve ever known someone who is really, really wealthy, you spend some time around them and you’re like, oh, your decision making is just a completely different process. There are just things that you get to take for granted that most people don’t.
Joy: Yeah. As you were saying this, I got this idea. I also think there are a lot of things that I would say about the Kardashians that they have worked very hard. But even from watching them all very young, they really worked their butt off to create the brand that they have now. I don’t want to take away from that and put women down or anything like that, and I know we’re not. But I also agree that the out of touch-ness of this is what I think really bothered people. Did you ever watch The Simple Life with Nichole Ritchie and Paris Hilton? I so badly wish that regular – I think about this all the time. Nobody can steel this idea. It is trademarked right here. Is to have normal people like you and me talk to a celebrity or just do something with them, hang out with them for a day, do normal basic crap. And just be like, “How do you feel walking into a Target with me?” Instead of a day in the life of Kim Kardashian, I would like her to come to a day in the life of Joy Parrish and see how she reacts. Is this weird for you, Kim?
Claire: You go pick up that poop.
Joy: It’s interesting to me. The bottom line of that is it’s interesting to me an always has been and so fascinating to me – you guys know I love celebrities – of what fame does to you and the palace intrigue. Dax Shepard was talking about this recently on his podcast about how when the pandemic happened and all the SAG award shows were happening. They were trying to set it up where people would be on screen. Was there a dress code? What did the SAG people want to the celebrities to wear? Dax was like, “Yeah, some people were in full ball gowns.” It was really funny. It’s the episode with Seth Meyers, the most recent one if you want to listen to it because it really is cute. Bu some people are full on ballgowns. They’re family is having a huge party. And then you have Jeff Daniels sitting in his hotel room because he is on location in crappy clothes, and there is a mound of clothes on the bed with a blanket over it because he tried to cover up the mound of clothes. Seth is like, “Yeah, mound guy doesn’t get the award because now you’ve seen behind the curtain.” And Dax was like, “I wonder if that was going to hurt the industry of seeing too much behind the curtain.” Now we get to see people at home and relaxed. It’s not glitzy glam. Because that’s the intrigue of Hollywood. Anyway, it’s all fascinating.
Claire: It’s like the last standup comedy that Ellen had, especially in 2018 or maybe in 2019, where she talks about – yeah. I think about the opening bit of that special where she’s talking about having this 200-yard-long bathroom and having to scootch across on a towel because she forgot her bathmat. And she’s like, “You know, you scootch past the gold toilet.”
Joy: Yeah. Of how relatable she is. Well, let’s take a quick break and talk about our fantastic sponsors, Ned, the makers of the CBD products we know and love. If you haven’t listened to the episode with one of the founders of Ned, Ret Taylor, we had him on the show last week. It was a lovely, lovely podcast episode. We know how you guys sometimes feel about guests, but I really encourage you to listen to that episode if you haven’t already. He is just an amazing human. I feel like we had such a great conversation. I know we say that about a lot of guests, but it really was very inspiring. Just overall feel good.
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Joy: Thank you, Ned, for sponsoring the show and offering our listeners a natural remedy for some of life’s most common health issues. Alright, Q&A?
Claire: I have not laughed that hard about the bread in a long time.
Joy: Oh my God. I want to play that clip over and over and over. I’m so glad this records video because if that doesn’t make us funnier than Joe Rogan, I don’t know what does. Are you still as effected by SAD as much as previous years? This is from one of our listeners on Instagram. Well, Seasonal Affective Disorder, if people aren’t familiar, is a diagnosis that kind of is classified by your mood changing when the seasons change. When the days get really short and there is not as much sunlight, it really affects your mood. A lot of people will go into more of a depression, feeling like their mood is just really low. I’ve talked about it over the years of how the seasons changing from summer to fall, mostly winter is when I feel it. I felt pretty good this season, and I wonder if it had to do with how I’m out of a really toxic job. Hmm, funny how stress… if you look at the big picture, and I talk about this a lot too with my clients, if you look at the big picture, if you can just chip away one little thing that is adding to your stress, it’s amazing what will happen to you. So I kind of look at my life of how taking a stress like a toxic job, a toxic work culture, really affected my mood in a positive way where I didn’t really feel the effects as much this year. I kind of stayed on top of it with trying to stay outside as much as possible, walking the dog every day, getting some sunlight even though it’s really cold outside. And I also still use a happy lamp. Some people are curious about it. It’s from Verilux. I can post a link in the show notes. You can get them on Amazon. They are like $20. It’s just a little light that you put at your desk, put it to the side, and it does a little sunlight to your face. Not like sunlight that’s going to burn you, but just simulating sun.
Claire: And not a tanning bed.
Joy: Not a tanning bed.
Claire: Remember that? Tanning beds.
Joy: Did you ever do them? I mean, with your skin…
Claire: I mean, a handful of times in middle school because I was like, “This is going to be the time I get a tan.” The girls at the front desk, even though they themselves were only like 16, were like, “The max you can do is four minutes.” I literally would be in there for less than ten minutes.
Joy: And were you burnt?
Joy: Oh my gosh, yeah.
Claire: One time, I think it was maybe the first time in my life I ever wore a thong, I wore it to a tanning bed and my butt cheeks got roasted.
Joy: Oh no [laughing]
Claire: And then I went to go see – do you remember the movie Alpha Dog with Justin Timberlake?
Joy: Kind of.
Claire: Vaguely, right? Like this deep deep memory? Let’s see what year it came out. Alpha Dog, Justin… 2006 it came out.
Joy: You saw that movie with a burned butt?
Claire: Yeah. It was my senior year of high school. I burned the crap out of my butt cheeks and then had to go sit through a really, really horrible movie. Wow, Bruce Willis is in that movie. And Sharon Stone. Really?
Joy: What? Star-studded cast.
Claire: Justin Timberlake as Frankie “Nuts” Ballenbacher.
Joy: Wait a minute, what was that last name? Nuts?
Claire: Ballenbacher? Frankie “Nuts” – like his nickname was Nuts.
Joy: Oh, Nuts.
Claire: Who came up with this?
Joy: Was that peak NSYNC year?
Claire: I think it was a little bit after. I think it was as JT’s solo career was starting to take off.
Joy: Got it. Oh man.
Claire: So just imagine. Horrible movie, probably one of the worst movies ever. And my just charred to a crisp butt cheeks in the movie theater.
Joy: Oh my God, that’s so funny.
Claire: In my low-cut jeans.
Joy: What was the album? Sexy love stone… what was it?
Joy: What was the name of his album that came out that changed everyone’s life? Well, it changed my life.
Claire: I don’t know.
Joy: Hold on. It’s going to drive me nuts.
Joy and Claire: Future Sex.
Claire: Love Sounds?
Joy: Future Sex Love Sounds, yeah. Changed my freaking – that’s when I was in grad school. That was my first or second year of grad school. I think it was my second year of grad school, and that album changed my world.
Claire: Yeah, that was my freshman year of college. Core moments.
Joy: Core moments. So someone just texted us a Britney video. Oh, you did.
Claire: That was me. That was me texting you the Britney video. [laughing]
Joy: This might be the best Brit dance video ever. You know, her videos are pretty amazing. I got to watch it really quick. I got to watch this in real time. Wow, it’s sped up.
Claire: Is it?
Joy: She’s doing her normal dance moves. Yeah, it’s totally sped up.
Claire: That explains a lot.
Joy: [laughing] I was like, this has to be double time.
Claire: Something’s wrong.
Joy: She’s so great. God love her.
Claire: God love her. I did want to answer this question.
Claire: What is your pizza order?
Joy: I’m not picky about pizza. This may be an unpopular opinion. I will eat any type of pizza. Right now because I’m still following my diet from my naturopath, I don’t eat a lot of cheese. So when I do order pizza, it’s not like cheese balls on cheese on cheese.
Claire: You’re not having mac and cheese pizza.
Joy: Yeah. I stay pretty basic. I do love a veggie pizza. I also will try anything. We have a really great pizza – well, it’s on Tennyson. Hops & Pies Pizza. It’s a great place, so I’ll just order whatever is their special. Sure, I’ll try this chicken strips on this barbecue.
Claire: That sounds delicious.
Joy: Yeah. How about you? Do you have a go-to?
Claire: I mean, it depends on where you are, right? I’m not going to order margarita pizza from Blackjack. But I would say in general, margarita is my favorite. Or I love a white pizza. We’re talking a wood fire oven pizza restaurant. Either of those two options. Otherwise, I love veggie pizza. Like, if I’m just ordering it from Domino’s.
Joy: What’s not to love about bread, sauce, cheese, and things that are delicious on top?
Claire: Anything that you want.
Joy: Would you do pineapple?
Claire: Okay, this is controversial.
Joy: Very polarizing, yeah.
Claire: I feel like the big controversy is that I am kind of neutral about it. Maxine loves it, our au pair.
Claire: She is a Hawaiian pizza person through and through. Apparently in Brazil, people put the weirdest crap on their pizza, like hot dogs.
Joy: Okay, okay.
Claire: Right? Why not? I can think of some reasons, but whatever. And ham. They put ham on everything in Brazil according to her. It’s so funny. I don’t think I ever had a real good sense of what Brazilian home cooking was like, I never thought about what do Brazilian people eat at home? But never in my life did I imagine it would involve so much ham and corn. Those are probably Maxine’s two favorite foods.
Joy: That’s interesting.
Claire: Her mom is here right now.
Joy: That’s so exciting. Is she going to cook?
Claire: I don’t know. Maxine does not cook. She hates cooking. Do you hate cooking and your mom is good at it? Or did you inherit hating cooking from your mom? TBD. But her mom is here. Maxine has not seen her mom in over two years. She obviously lives in Brazil. And she is here for two weeks. She’s so cute. She doesn’t speak English, but she’s so cute.
Joy: That’s so great. Yeah, so as far as pizza, I also have a question for listeners. I know people feel very passionate if you’re from a big pizza city like New York City, Chicago, Jersey. I mean, three’s Jersey style pizza.
Claire: Detroit. Doesn’t Detroit have its own style of pizza.
Joy: Yes. There’s a place down the street, Blue Pan, that everyone goes crazy for. I am not one of those people that is like, this is the best pizza ever. I mean, what if you go to Italy? I mean, that’s probably got the most amazing pizza ever.
Claire: Exactly. I agree. I will say I prefer a little bit of a thinner crust. I do prefer a little bit of a wood fire style pizza. A little bit of a thinner crust, almost a little bit doughy, but thin, but not overcooked. But pretty minimalist. Not picky.
Joy: And I think we could probably have an entire podcast dedicated to going through every single pizza.
Claire: We’ve already spent quite a long time on this topic.
Joy: We could do a whole other series just going through pizza of the entire world.
Claire: I will say, one thing I love is a salad on top of a pizza.
Joy: Oh, no.
Claire: There is this pizza at the Italian restaurant in Longmont where the pizza itself is a jalapeño chicken pizza, and then there is basically just a Caesar salad on top.
Joy: I’m going to draw the line on that.
Claire: It’s so good. It’s like a reverse crouton.
Joy: I’ll try it. I’ll try a reverse crouton. This is reminding me about one of Scott’s favorite podcasts in the world called the Doughboys. He is obsessed. And that’s all they do. They’re very, very famous. All they do is go to restaurants and fast-food places, and they rate foods. It’s really funny. So we just had a little Doughboys moment. Okay, one more?
Claire: Okay, really quickly, tell us about the puppy. People are surprised by the puppy.
Joy: Okay, so if you haven’t heard already, Scott and I are going to be puppy raising again. Cadet is going to the track – there is a bunch of different tracks that you can do for a service dog. She is going to the hearing dog program, so she will be there for another couple months. If all goes well, she’ll graduate and be matched with a human in May. Full circle moment, I think I told you guys this on the podcast. Maybe I didn’t. That my uncle just applied for a hearing dog too, and I’m just like, oh my gosh.
Claire: Oh, he did apply? We talked about suggesting that he apply.
Joy: Yeah, he did. I texted him the other day and was like, “Did you apply?” And he was like, “Yeah, I just applied.” Oh my gosh, he would be so perfect for a hearing dog, so that would be exciting. So we got a message a couple weeks ago that we are getting another puppy to raise. So that will be happening Friday, March 18 very late. We are going to go to the airport and pick the puppy up. Give it a bath. It will probably be covered in pee when we get it, but that’s what happens when they ship puppies.
Claire: It happens to the best of us, puppy.
Joy: So probably when you’re listening to this will not see photos of the dog until Saturday just because we’re going to be going home and trying to sleep with a new little puppy. So the adventure continues again. We think it’s going to be a male. That can always change. There’s tons of puppy raisers that are getting puppies right now, and things can always change at the last minute. You never really know what you’re going to get. But we got really lucky with Cadet. I think it was because of the pandemic. We knew way in advance which dog we were getting, which airport we were picking up. It was like a private jet. Which by the way, @pilotsnpaws on Instagram is the best. They have volunteer private places that fly dogs around from shelters to go to homes. So they are a great non-profit organization that you can support. But we are doing this again. I am just so thrilled. I am very, very excited. Very excited to do this again.
Claire: I am also excited. Okay, donut or cinnamon roll?
Joy: Donuts. Donuts. Cinnamon rolls is one kind. I want options. There’s so many options for donuts.
Claire: I don’t know, I made a lemon poppyseed roll once. It wasn’t cinnamon roll. It was lemon and poppyseed.
Joy: Like a bun?
Claire: Like a bun. I agree though. Donuts. And then, what is your favorite movie theater candy?
Joy: Hot tamales.
Joy: I can eat loads of hot tamales.
Claire: Okay, this is a weird fact. When I was in high school, I was friends with a girl who would just suck the hot tamale part of and then spit out the little cylinder of gelatin.
Joy: Here’s the thing. Teenage girls need to stop with that stuff. Remember when you’d have that friend who would peel off a Snickers bar and peel it to where the caramel was just sitting there.
Claire: Just eat the whole thing. Just stop. So that’s what I think of whenever I think of Hot Tamales is whenever we would go to the movies together, she would end up with a cup full of sucked-on, clear, gelatin bullets.
Joy: Stop being weird with food.
Claire: Stop being weird with food. I’m not a big candy eater. I love popcorn.
Joy: I love popcorn, too.
Claire: I just ate some before we started recording. Like, I love it. But if I had to pick a candy, do you remember Nerds Ropes?
Joy: No. Ropes?
Claire: Yeah. It wasn’t licorice, but it was like a Sweet Tart kind of flavored licorice that was wrapped in Nerds.
Joy: Woah, I don’t remember this.
Claire: This had a big moment when I was in high school.
Joy: That makes my tongue hurt just thinking about it. All the sugar. Your taste buds would get sore.
Claire: Okay, so there was a time in my life where I was, as part of a Student Council project, a couple of friends and I did this thing. It was a program that was sponsored by the Boy Scouts of America. You basically would create a hotline where high school students who were drunk could call this hotline and you would go pick them up and take them to their house.
Claire: It was called Safe Rides. Very creative. But so me and my friends would be up all night giving people rides. So I would sit there and I would buy Nerds Ropes and Red Bull. Thinking back, the fact that I then went home at like 2am and fell asleep – how?
Joy: That’s the beauty of youth.
Claire: It’s the beauty of being 17.
Claire: But yeah, I would have a Red Bull in one hand and a Nerds Rope in the other hand, and somehow my body did not shutdown. Although now a days, I think even if I smelled a Red Bull, my body would just –
Joy: They’re so sweet smelling.
Claire: I also in college loved Jager bombs. Who loves Jager bombs?
Joy: I mean, I used to go all out on Long Island ice teas. That’s because they were like $2.
Claire: At least those you couldn’t taste the alcohol.
Joy: That’s true.
Claire: Jager bombs? Really, Claire? 19 or 20 Claire? Have some self-respect.
Joy: Oh man. Long Island ice teas. That just made me sick thinking about it.
Claire: There was a sandwich shop on the hill called Half Ast. Like “fast,” not “assed.” Like Half Ast. They had $2 Long Island pitchers. So everyone would get their own pitcher, and you would just put a straw in it.
Joy: And then everyone would get their own bed to pass out in?
Claire: Immediately wasted. And then you buy this huge sandwich. Yeah. And it started at like 2 in the afternoon, so you would go over there from class and by 3:30 you were just completely drunk. Why do we do these things? How?
Joy: I was going to say, how did we even survive?
Claire: If I tried to do that now… I have like one glass of wine, and the next day I’m like, ugh.
Joy: There’s so many times I think, how did I not die? There were so many times when we would go – it was really big to go to Rocky Point for spring break. And when I was in San Diego, there would be a couple of times we would cross the border because we weren’t 21 yet, so you could just go drink. We would go party in Mexico. I wouldn’t drink, but I would be with a car full of people. How did we just cross the border, go party in Mexico, just a group of girls…? You think about these things of, like, that wasn’t really safe.
Claire: I also just think, how did I… I would go to class all day. Then I would go to work. And then I would go out. Surely this is not the same body that was doing that.
Joy: I think about that all the time. Like, how did I work three jobs and go out and do school?
Claire: And worked out some. I went to the fitness center.
Joy: Youth. It’s the power of youth. This is what happens.
Joy: It really is.
Claire: What are you going to do? We can remember that time fondly.
Joy: And now you are podcasting while kneading dough.
Claire: While still recovering from daylight savings time. Maybe that’s why daylight savings time doesn’t affect you in your 20’s. Because you have no sleep schedule anyway.
Joy: And now you have a sweatshirt with pie on it while you’re making bread.
Claire: That I’m so excited about. That I saved for today to wear on Pie Day. I planned to wear this sweatshirt. And as soon as we stop recording in a minute, I’m going to go do another turn on my dough.
Joy: Oh my gosh. That will go down in one of the best podcast moments in history, and I cannot wait to post this video.
Claire: “It looks like you’re kneading dough. That’s exactly what I’m doing.” Good job. If we’d played charades, you would have won.
Joy: That goes into the history where you said, “Pat Benatar, who is he?”
Claire: That was like our first episode.
Joy: That was the first episode. And the one where we realized that we were recording right next to the cat hair. [laughing] And you were like, “Why am I so sniffly?” And you looked to the left and like, “Oh, that’s where the cats lay.”
Claire: Six inches away from just a carpet of cat fur.
Joy: That was so great.
Claire: That was a good one. Oh, the good ole days.
Joy: Or the moth flew in your ear. Why are all these things happening to you, by the way? [laughing]
Claire: Feels like a pattern. [laughing] Alright guys, well, thank you for being there with us through all of those moments.
Joy: All of it.
Claire: As well as today’s episode. Don’t forget to support Ned. Go to helloned.com/JOY or use discount code JOY. Get 21% of your order for the month of March. Try out their improved Sleep Blend. Try out their Destress Blend. Try out their daily blend, which is their straight full-spectrum hemp. Highly recommend. We love all their products. We use them all. Go back and listen to last week’s episode with one of the founders, Ret Taylor if you want to learn a little bit more about the company. And you can find us on Instagram @joyandclaire_. We are on the reels train hardcore.
Joy: We are reel-ing.
Claire: We made that joke two weeks ago. We’re going to make it again.
Joy: It’s not funny.
Claire: I think it is. And luckily, I’m the only one that has to think it’s funny. Because it’s just you and me. And you can go to joyandclaire.com to find our old episodes. Feel free to shoot us an email, firstname.lastname@example.org. We will talk to you guys next week. Bye.
Joy: Bye, guys.
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