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This is Joy & Claire Episode 114: All Grown Up
Episode Date: February 17, 2022
Transcription Completed: March 5, 2022
Audio Length: 45:30 minutes
Joy: Hi guys, this is Joy.
Claire: And this is Claire. And you are joining us halfway through a conversation about how Bluetooth connection problems are the evidence we need that robots will never take over the world.
Joy: Claire was setting up her computer in her recording set up. She was getting off another call. And was okay, every time I get onto this computer – we have a different recording system for podcasts for a microphone – it always goes back to a different setting. I was like, yeah. I have a Bluetooth speaker light in my office. And every time I walk in here, my earbuds want to just pop over to the speaker lights. So everything I listen to now comes out – I didn’t want to change it. And if our 30-year-ago selves were listening to our conversation would be like, “What?” I was thinking about earbuds today. How when they first came out, everyone was making fun of them. The meme with – what’s the movie? Something About Mary?
Claire: Oh yeah, they do look like that.
Joy: They really do. [laughing] That’s not wrong.
Claire: It’s not wrong. It’s not wrong. And I also think Bluetooth technology does not seem to have advanced at all since it came out originally like 15 years ago with guys with their little Bluetooth belt attachment.
Joy: Yeah. Or remember the big ones that kind of like –
Claire: That’s what I mean. The huge Bluetooth headset.
Claire: With the belt hook for your cell phone.
Joy: Yeah, the belt hook for the cell phone – there’s a certain type of person that wears those and loves them.
Claire: That’s what I mean. I feel like the person who had the early-adopter Bluetooth microphone and the person who wore a cell phone belt loop, the Venn diagram of those two people was a lot of overlap.
Joy: A lot of overlap. Agreed. What’s the biggest phone that you had size wise?
Claire: I mean, my current phone is very large. But that’s not what you mean. You mean like the most brick size that I had.
Joy: Yeah, we’re not talking iPhone slim.
Claire: My first phone was a Motorola flip phone that had an antenna that pulled out.
Joy: Oh yeah, I had that too. Oh my gosh, it’s like Clueless.
Joy: “What up, Dee?”
Claire: It did flip, so it wasn’t just the entire brick. But my dad had a car phone.
Joy: Yeah, I remember in elementary school one of our neighbors had a car phone, and that was beyond. That was beyond.
Claire: I could just call him in the car. He had a huge antenna on the top of his car that would always hit the top of the garage. It came in a carrying case, and you had to set it up. It was a whole thing.
Joy: I’ll never forget my first cell phone was in college. This always makes me feel so old, but whatever. My first cell phone was in college. My mom got it for me. The size – like the full length of my hand and probably three inches thick. It was so big. Oh, it’s so great.
Claire: Yes. I never had the Nokia. What’s the Nokia ring tone? I’m not going to get it.
Joy: [sings ringtone] That one?
Claire: No, there’s another one.
Joy: Which one’s that.
Claire: Somebody’s screaming at it right now. They’re in their car going [sings ringtone], like the Nokia. I’m going to have to look it up. But I remember –
Joy: Will Siri tell us? Is that cross-pollinating?
Claire: It’s too much cross-pollinating. Let’s see. I swear. [sings ringtone] That one.
Joy: [laughing] Like on Devil Wears Prada. That’s the one she hears constantly.
Claire: Yeah, that’s the Nokia original ringtone. The original ringtone.
Joy: Like “the,” the OG ringtone.
Claire: So I got my first cell phone when I was a freshman in high school. By my junior year of high school, it was all about your ringtone.
Claire: But I remember having plenty of friends whose parents were like, “I’m not spending money on a ringtone. You cannot buy a ringtone.” My dad paid my cell phone bill. I just don’t think he ever looked at it, so I could spend whatever I wanted to. At like $3.99 a pop or something ridiculous. But I remember having a friend whose parents were like, “No, we’re not spending money on ringtones.” She had her little Nokia cell phone. One of the ringtone options was [sings ringtone].
Joy: Oh yeah.
Claire: And the way that you vibrated, if you stood it up so that it was balanced on its bottom standing all the way up, it would kind of rotate as it sang the song, and we just thought that was the funniest thing in the world. That’s a core memory. I think about it all the time. This little Nokia cell phone with a little purple sparkly cover slowly like [vibrate sounds]
Joy: Like doing a dance, yeah.
Claire: Rotating like [sings ringtone] [vibrate sounds] [sings ringtone] [vibrate sounds]
Joy: The good ole days. That’s the good ole days. And then when I was in my young 20’s, I got a pretty small Samsung flip phone with the antenna that made you really feel like Cher on Clueless. There’s nothing more satisfying than the slap of a cell phone close. Like with one hand. I really miss those days. Like when you get angry with your boyfriend, and you’re talking to him and you just slap the cell phone closed. There’s no anger hanging up these days. We’re really missing out.
Claire: We really are. I had a pink Razor in college. That was my college phone. Because I didn’t get my first iPhone until after college. I had a pink Razor, and then I had a Blackberry. I had a Blackberry when I met Brandon.
Joy: I had a Blackberry at my old job, like two jobs ago.
Joy: That was very satisfying. The keys were very satisfying on the Blackberry.
Claire: It was very satisfying.
Joy: Very tactile. And I will never forget when Scott and I first started dating, that’s when the first iPhone came out. Oh my gosh, we’re dinosaurs. And he of course had to have the newest of everything, so he got the first iPhone. I was so mad and so jealous because I was like, you’re always on your phone. That was like the first generation of being like, “You’re always on your phone.” Because when you didn’t have the iPhone, there were no apps. I will never forget, he was always on it trying to figure it out and play around with it. And he – I love this photo. I got to have him find this photo. There’s a photo of me that he took, one of the first photos with his iPhone. I was giving him the biggest bitch face. Because I was like, oh, you’re going to take a picture of me with your new phone? Because I was jealous of the iPhone.
Claire: I feel like iPhones are so ubiquitous and being on your phone all day is so the norm now that we kind of forget that less than ten years ago, you maybe had one or two bougie friends with iPhones. And everyone else, all your phone did was send and receive text messages and send and receive calls. Maybe you had a couple games. You did not have the internet on your phone until pretty recently.
Joy: I always think about that. What did we do with all of our time? What did we do when we were waiting at the airport? We read books.
Claire: We just sat there like idiots. Read books.
Joy: People watched. We got magazines, which I loved.
Claire: We bought a lot of magazines. Every time I go to the airport, I look at the magazines and I’m like, remember when I used to buy magazines to read on an airplane?
Joy: So many things. Okay, now we’re just going to go straight down memory lane. When I was dating in my 20’s and I went to visit my boyfriend, this was one that was in the military. I remember carrying an entire CD player, full on CD player, and I had Nelly Furtado. That was on repeat. But the things you used to carry. Huge books, big ole cameras.
Claire: Cameras. Oh my God, cameras. I used to take a full-on camera out to the bars with me every time.
Joy: Oh yeah. Didn’t you do that at your bachelorette party? That almost got lost. What got lost at your bachelorette party? Your wallet?
Claire: No, it was my phone. I had an iPhone by then. Because we used Track My iPhone to find it.
Joy: That’s right. That’s right.
Claire: No, the punchline of the story of my bachelorette party – have I told this on the podcast before?
Joy: You have, but it’s worth repeating. It’s been a while.
Claire: So for my bachelorette party, it was just me and my two best friends. We went to Paso Robles in the central coast of California. We went out. It’s not a really nightlife type of town. It’s all wineries. But there are a few bars, so we went to the one bar where you go that has a dance floor. We left all our stuff in the corner, and we came to check on our stuff and everything was gone. We were like, oh my God, someone stole our stuff. We talked to the bouncer, and he has us call the cops. We turn on Find My iPhone. We were able to track my iPhone down to a house in a nearby neighborhood. So we drive there. The cops follow us. Saying this out loud, it was so bizarre.
Joy: They follow you instead of the other way around.
Claire: They follow us. We park in front of the house. The people in there must have seen us. Who knows what happened? They got back in their car, drove back to the bar, and were like, “We realized we grabbed these jackets, and we didn’t mean to.” And we were like, uh huh, sure. You just grabbed a bunch of random jackets and took them all the way to your house. But whatever. So we ended up getting our stuff back, except for my one friend’s credit card. So we’re talking to the cops outside the bar. This is a 2–3-hour conversation. We were really drunk when it started. We’re not drunk anymore. We have been chasing down our belonging all night at this point. We’re talking to this cop. And he’s like, “I’m so sorry this happened. We’ll give you a call if anything turns up, but honestly what you should probably do is go home, cancel your card, and get a new one. It’s not likely that we’re ever going to recover it.” And my friend who has on a strapless dress, so therefore probably a strapless bra, takes this big deep breath, “Okay.” And immediately after she does that, she gets this smirk on her face. So the cop walks away, and she just bursts out laughing and pulls her credit card out of her bra.
Claire: And we all just lose it. We filed a police report, and this credit card was in her bra the whole time. Strapless bras have a lot of structure to them, so I’m sure she just assumed it was part of the underwire or whatever. She doesn’t have a particularly big chest, but we just thought that was the funniest thing in the world.
Joy: And she realizes it while she’s talking to the cop. Doesn’t want to be like, “Never mind.”
Claire: Exactly. Yes, exactly. So that’s the story of my bachelorette party.
Joy: Good stuff.
Claire: Okay, so speaking of getting old, Evie turned three last week, which is crazy. I feel like it has been a hundred years since her second birthday, but definitely not three years since she was born. I can’t believe she is so old.
Joy: It feel like time has flown.
Claire: Yeah, it’s bizarre. So I was listening to Brene Brown. We are recording this on Monday. Happy Valentine’s Day. Brene Brown had a Valentine’s Day podcast episode that she released on Unlocking Us where she shared an excerpt from Atlas of the Heart, the audio book. I haven’t read the book yet. I’m waiting for the audio book. I did go to the office today, so I actually listened to it. Which is rare for me to listen to podcasts, let alone the day they come out. But she has a part in there. She talks about being broken hearted, and she reads an excerpt from somebody where it talks about how a lot of things that will cause broken heartedness are kind of… well let me give an example. I don’t know how to describe it. But the example she gives is you don’t expect your kids to stay young forever, so it’s not like you’re disappointed. But as they grow up, it still kind of breaks your heart every time they leave a phase. So I was thinking about that as I was driving home because I have gone on record many times to say I do not miss the baby phase. I don’t miss having newborns. Newborn phase in my experience is far and away the hardest part of parenting. It’s isolating. It’s dehumanizing. It’s unendingly demanding. It’s relentless to the ends of the earth. And you get very little in return. I don’t like it. But as my kids get older, I enjoy them more and more, but I still am sad about them leaving those phases. And I think what it is, is that when they are little especially, you just love everything about them. They are hilarious. They are adorable. Their lives are just like a comedy of errors. And as they leave those ages, I think there is this sort of realization that I loved this person at this age so fully, and they’re never going to be that person again.
Joy: Right. You can’t go back there.
Claire: You can’t go back. Like, it’s a one-way street. And that is so sad. And while the way that we all do, you never stop being who you are. You just hold all of that more and more as you grow. The little words that she mispronounced or the ways that she did things because she wasn’t big enough to do them the real way or the things that she needed help with. All those little moments that made her one-year-old Evie and two-year-old Evie, you can’t get those back. And that’s sad. Because they’re so cute. I wouldn’t go back because those ages are also uniquely difficult. Really, I understand now what people mean when they have older kids and they’re like, “I miss that. I miss them being babies.” They don’t mean, “I want to go back there 24/7.” They mean, I miss that little person that they were.
Joy: And you can feel both of those emotions at the same time. You can feel like that was not my favorite phase, but also you have that heartache for that time of who they were at that age. And it is, it’s just like thinking back when you were younger, knowing you can never get that back, you can never go back breaks your heart a little bit.
Claire: Yeah, that’s the crappy thing about living in linear time.
Joy: I mean, it happens to all of us. We’re all on it.
Claire: We’re all stuck on this one-way road.
Joy: Such a weird thing.
Claire: It is weird.
Joy: But it’s hard. That’s hard. Because then it’s kind of like you go through that – because she’ll change so much in even the next year, and you’ll have that same feeling next year.
Claire: I think it’s a daily thing you have to deal with as a parent. Every day, even with Miles, even at his age. He just learned how to read. Or his two front teeth fell out, and now it’s not a gap anymore. The teeth are growing in. Those are the things where every single day, you are tangibly not as young as you were yesterday. I think as a parent you can’t dwell on that too much. Otherwise, you just cry all the time. But it does strike you on birthdays. Oh my gosh, how did we get here already? How are we already at three? How are you not just an infant anymore? When did this happen?
Joy: The picture was really cute of her in the unicorn onesie. What is she into right now?
Claire: Unicorns. Obviously. The thing about Evie, and I think I talked about this a couple weeks ago. Miles had all these – and still does – very special interests. When he was Evie’s age, it was Lightening McQueen and dinosaurs and rainbow things. When he was two, it was mostly just Lightning McQueen. When he was four, it was wildlife facts. On no, that was five. Five was wildlife facts. And right now he’s super into Star Wars and Legos and still into wildlife. So he’s always had these things you can point at when people are like, “What is Miles into?” Here’s a list of five things. As far as Evie is concerned, the whole world belongs to her. We are just here to support her life as the main character and the leading lady of the entire universe. So she doesn’t have any special interests because all things are for her. Shark facts are for her. Unicorns are for her. Rainbows are for her. She does like the things that Miles likes because he likes them. But everything else, she’s like, yeah, this is all for me. Why would I need to pick any one given thing? And it’s so hilarious. Maxine was like, “We are having a rainbow unicorn party.” I was like, okay, great. We thought about maybe having an Encanto party because she loves Encanto. But really, she just loves to dance. So anyway. Maxine bought her a rainbow unicorn onesie to wear for her unicorn party. It was a real hit.
Joy: She really just showed up in that onesie and embodied the unicorn.
Claire: She did. Evie understands the assignment every time.
Joy: She does.
Claire: That’s the thing, when you’re the main character of the universe, the assignment is your assignment every time. There is no assignment other than the one that you are performing.
Joy: It’s so great. I love it.
Claire: It’s so great. She’s so funny. She’s just like, no one is more Evie than Evie. Like yesterday, we went out to lunch. It was super, super nice out, and she still insisted on wearing these really fleecy Baby Yoda jammies that she has with a penguin beanie. She was eating a blizzard from Dairy Queen. Brandon took this picture of her where she was just head thrown completely back, giant spoon of blizzard dripping into her mouth, and sweating because she’s so hot but she won’t change her outfit. She’s like, this is who I am. I am eating a blizzard, and I am wearing my pajamas, and nobody can say anything about it.
Joy: Unapologetic. And it wasn’t like, oh, we just caught Evie in this moment. That’s her 24/7.
Claire: No. Yeah. 24/7. So yeah, we had a rainbow unicorn party. It was very cute. Maxine planned the whole thing, which she always does. If Maxine wasn’t here, we probably would not have birthday parties for our kids because we just aren’t that organized. It’s been great. But yes, time marches on. It’s bizarre. I think that also I feel so privileged to have my kids who are healthy. I try really hard to not take for granted. It’s impossible to not take certain things for granted. It think about that a lot too. We have to take things for granted. Otherwise, we could never get out of bed.
Joy: That’s not a realistic way to live. We’d never leave our house.
Claire: Never. If we really felt the enormity of every moment could be our last and everyone else’s last and that everything that we receive could be the last time receive it. If we really felt all that, we would just collapse every day.
Joy: Yeah, there’s no way that we could handle that. Our systems would shut down.
Claire: Absolutely shut down. A lot of my anxiety as a mom is around when my family leaves my house without me. Or if Maxine has both the kids in the car. Something could happen.
Joy: I think a lot of people feel that way, just in general, with their loved ones.
Claire: Right. So I sometimes have really acute moments of anxiety around that, and I have to remind myself – like, did I say goodbye to them? First of all, you go into that anxiety loop situation. But it kind of reassures me to think we have to take a certain amount of our lives for granted. Otherwise, we couldn’t function.
Joy: No, that happens to me every time Scott goes on a trip. Well, I hope you come back. Really, truly, you can’t live there. Or else you really will just be calling the person constantly. It’s so scary.
Claire: You would just live in a state of incredible panic and hypochondria. Some people do. But you couldn’t live that way. So I sort of find that reassuring to think – you hear people say, “I really took my health for granted before I was sick.” Or I really took X, Y, Z for granted before it disappeared one day. Yeah, but that’s the requirement. What I’m trying to get at is I try not to take for granted that I get to see my kids as they get older and get to know each new version of them because I know that’s not the reality for people who have experienced child loss. It’s always a both-and. But I do love each new age. It’s so funny. I think that there’s also a point – for me with Miles, it was closer to two. And with Evie, it’s been about three. Where finally around that birthday I started feeling like, okay, here I am again. Me/myself is back in the game. Not “back in the game.” That sounds a little too ready for action. But I’ve rejoined the chat. My needs and my individual goals and wants and moments to myself has sort of come back online or are starting to. And that’s really nice to feel like, okay, I can have some amount of presence in my own life again.
Joy: And that’s important.
Claire: It’s really important.
Joy: It’s a good time to – for a lot of moms that might be going through a phase where they’re like, am I ever going to get to that point? It’s important to know, yes, you will.
Claire: It comes back. And for most kids – and I say again, I am very grateful that my kids are not sick or do not have anything. They’re great. Whatever, you guys know what I mean. I think for me, with Miles it was around two, and for Evie it was around three. I think that was because with having two kids, it took a little longer with everything I was juggling. But you will think your own thoughts again. You will have space for yourself again. You will not feel like all you are doing is managing the lives and wellbeing and hopes and dreams and emotions of – when your kids start to be able to self-manage their own emotions, even moment to moment, it’s a huge game changer. Because man, that is really hard to have to be constantly so aware of how someone else is doing that your whole day has to revolve around their homeostasis. Zero out of ten experience on that one.
Joy: Zero out of ten recommend.
Claire: My least favorite part of parenting right there.
Joy: Well, happy birthday Evie.
Claire: Happy birthday, Evie.
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Claire: And they’re just the best.
Joy: And they’re so cute.
C; They’re so cute. I was waiting for you to say that. I was like, is she going to say they’re cute? There it is.
Joy: They’re so handsome. They’re so cute. Someone got mad at me for saying cute about –
Claire: Daily Drills.
Joy: Yeah. Someone got mad that I called the girls cute on the Daily Drills. I was like, really? I can’t call someone cute? Come on. I’m getting mad.
Claire: I think that person, the thing they were coming from was, let’s not call them cute because that takes away from their professionalism. I would like to take it a step further and say let’s stop assuming that people can’t be both cute and professional.
Joy: Yes. Thank you. That’s my whole point. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. We can be so many other things. Go watch JVN’s Getting Curious. Get rid of all the binaries and get rid of all the – yeah.
Claire: We can be cute and professional. And in fact, I aspire to be cute and professional. That’s not true. Cute is not something I aspire to be. But not because I don’t like it. Just because I think that it looks better on other people. Okay, so how did you feel about the Super Bowl halftime show? Let’s talk about this for like two minutes.
Joy: Two minutes. I, as most of you know – most of you should know – I love a celebration. I love an event. I love an awards show. I love the Super Bowl. Don’t really watch football other than watching Scott watch football. So I have an adjacent knowledge of football, which I think is a pretty decent knowledge for someone who doesn’t like getting into sports. I thought it was great. First of all, it was produced by Roc Nation, which is Jay-Z’s production company. So he had all Black artists and all people of color. Like in the national anthem, the pre-show, all the artists before the game.
Claire: Okay, question. I didn’t watch a minute of the Super Bowl. What was Dwayne Johnson doing there?
Joy: Yeah, that’s a great question. He was just kind of ramping everybody up and getting ready to rumble.
Claire: So he was just the Super Bowl hype man?
Joy: Yeah, he was the Super Bowl hype man. You know what, in my mind, it was LA, and LA is so extra. Dwayne was probably like – Dwayne, like he’s my best friend. Dwayne was probably like, “I want to hype everybody up. Can you put me on somewhere?” And they probably were like, “Sure, Rock.”
Claire: We can do that for you.
Joy: “Your arms are bigger than my head. I can’t say no to you.”
Claire: What I actually want to imagine happened is that he got to the game and just walked onto the field and was like, “Can I have that microphone?” And they were like, “Uh… yeah.”
Joy: Yeah. Which I’ve heard through the grapevine of nobody I know –
Claire: He’s so great.
Joy: Yeah. I say “grapevine” as if I even know – like I have a bazillion degrees of separation.
Claire: Infinity degrees of separation.
Joy: That he is like the nicest guy. Any celebrity will always say how nice he is. So whatever you want. You are like the best human.
Claire: Take the mic.
Joy: So, who knows? But it was great. It was really kind of cute. I thought it was wonderful that Roc Nation produced it because you could see right away that it was awesome. We need all of the diversity, especially everything that’s gone on this past year. I don’t know if anyone is following the coach hiring and the history of Colin Kaepernick, of kneeling. There’s so many issues that surround football. If you really want to listen to an important episode of The Daily, today is February 14 that we are recording this. If you go to February 14 episode, they talk a lot about the NFL. I think it’s really important because they talk about how football in America is like America’s sport. So if you start to change things in America’s sport to include more diversity, then it could really have a change on the country. I’m like, that’s so brilliant. They go more in depth. I don’t go into detail about it but listen to that episode. And this was specific to hiring a Black coach and really comparing the numbers of how many white coaches are hired versus Black coaches are hired. It’s pretty fascinating. Anyway. So getting back to the halftime show, first of all, I’m loving all the pre-shows. This is amazing. Oh my God. I knew who was going to be at the Super Bowl show, but Scott and I were debating about how it used to be great when there was just one artist. Scott hands down will always be like, “Prince is the best halftime show of all time.” It’s not up for discussion as far as he is concerned. Of course, Diana Ross, hello. But he doesn’t love when there’s a handful of artists. That man does not love – what’s it called when they put multiple songs together?
Joy: Yeah, mashup or… there’s another word for it.
Joy: Thank you. He hates a medley. Cannot stand. He wants a song from beginning to end. He does not want it interrupted. Don’t you dare cut off a song. He used to make fun of me when I would teach spin. If he would come to my class and I would skip to the next song, he’d be like, “Why did you do that? Everybody hates it when you do that.” Anyway. Do not interrupt a song with Scott Parrish. But I’m like, it’s cool because then it applies to a bunch of different people, and you have a huge audience. And maybe people don’t like Eminem, but they love Mary J. Blige. All I have to say in way longer of a time than I was supposed to talk about the Super Bowl halftime show is the second Dr. Dre started rising from the rafters, I was like, we’re done. This was the best show ever. It was so cool.
Claire: I haven’t seen it yet. I need to go watch it.
Joy: It’s so cool. It’s so cool. And the dancers were – Scott and I were like, look at the choreography. It is flawless. So the ground was the streets of Los Angeles and Compton. The details were amazing. Kendrick Lamar was great. I was just watching the whole time pumping my fists like, “This is amazing!” Then Eminem came out. Then he kneeled after his set in honor of Colin Kaepernick. Which by the way, there’s debate online that he wasn’t kneeling. He was honoring Tupac. No, no. There was actually on record that when they were doing rehearsals, they told him not to kneel because of that, and then he’s like, “I’m kneeling.”
Claire: Guys, I wish you could all see Joy right now. She’s literally tearing at her hair and her clothes in excitement to describe this to you. She’s clutching her face.
Joy: This is why I just really need to live in LA. I get real into political statements too. How people can use art to make a political statement and create a movement. Roc Nation producing this in a huge city that has tons of trauma and tons of turmoil and history with like OJ trial to the riots in LA. There’s all this stuff. And I read into that in a halftime show of course. I’m super picking apart everything. But the fact that all these beautiful dancers were on the streets of LA, essentially, on this platform. But then Snoop Dog, he hasn’t aged a day. Him and Dr. Dre, the second they started rapping together, it took everybody aback. And I know there’s a lot of jokes going around on the internet that Gen X or even older Millennials were having a moment for the halftime show. I’m like, yeah, we were. It was great. This music means a lot to us, and everyone is going to go through that at some point in their lives where they are going to be like, “This music meant so much to me.” That is super important. I don’t care if people are considered old or young, whatever. I thought it was beautiful and brilliant, and Mary J. just falling after her set on the ground just being like, she’s Mary J. It was flawless. Probably hands down one of the best halftime shows I’ve ever seen. And I love Eminem. I freaking love… I love them all. And then 50 Cent showed. Nobody knew that 50 Cent was going to have a cameo. He comes hanging down from the rafters like a bat upside down. Just like, “Hey 50.” It was so great. It was so great.
Joy: So this morning, thank you to the listener who wrote in and said – because you know, guys, I love Peloton. Someone was like, “Oh my gosh, you have to take Alex’s ride. He did all music from the halftime show performers.” He did it like two days before the Super Bowl. So I got up this morning and I was just crying on the bike reliving it. Yeah. I get really emotional about this stuff.
Claire: I can tell.
Joy: I don’t know why. I think it’s just there’s so much – and I think I get this from Scott too. I have to give Scott credit. He really gets into art as a statement and how much it impacts race and community and social justice. It was a big statement if you really watch it from that lens, that there is a lot wrapped up in that halftime show. Especially with Jay-Z’s production company. If you know a lot about Roc Nation, you see a lot of that in there, and I thought it was great. Hopefully people watch it and, I don’t know, someone thinks differently and is nicer. I don’t know.
Claire: My only input on this is that my favorite tweet I saw about it, which was on Instagram, was basically, “This halftime show is really for the people who the only thing they’ve listened to in the past month is Encanto and they need to be reminded of a time in their life when they used to have fun.” Oh, that’s way too close to home for me.
Joy: Oh, man. Because you watch it every day?
Claire: Every day. Or we listen to it every day. That nailed it for the demographic. You probably have kids who are eight or younger at home. You have just been listening to Encanto since it came out. This halftime show is going to remind you that you used to have a fun life.
Joy: Yeah. The other thing is that I think about all the halftime shows I’ve watched in my entire life, I get really excited about. No matter who it is. No matter what generation. So I’m sure the young people, teens, 20’s are watching it being equally entertained. Kendrick is there. He’s representing more of the younger crowd, I guess. But who doesn’t love Snoop Dog? Who does not love Snoop Dog?
Claire: Who? Who among us?
Joy: But I did see Bennifer was there. They do the shots. So Bennifer was there. Matt Damon was there. Charlize Theron was there. The Rock was obviously there. The Rock’s biceps showed up. They had their own chair. I was like, “Scott, how are his arms so big?”
Claire: Because he works out for like five hours a day. And also, he is just a genetically big dude. He is Samoan.
Joy: Yeah, he is a genetically big dude. He’s so nice that I bet if we had a six-degree separation, we could get him on the podcast.
Claire: If you are listening to this and you are like, “Oh my brother’s wife’s dog walker used to know his mailman,” let us know.
Joy: Let us know. Yeah.
Claire: Oh my gosh, how amazing would it be to be a mailman in that part of LA?
Joy: I would love.
Claire: That would be your dream job, kind of.
Claire: Just to see their packages.
Joy: Yeah. I’m trying to think of another profession. Police officer.
Claire: An Amazon Prime delivery driver.
Joy: Yeah. Like the celeb sitings that you see.
Claire: If you were a Beverly Hills Amazon Prime delivery driver.
Joy: I wonder what they’re ordering. I mean, they don’t know what they’re ordering. But the sides of the packages.
Claire: What are their assistants ordering for them?
Joy: What codes do you have to get into to get into the neighborhoods? Oh, this is great.
Claire: You know all those details.
Joy: You know what, this is the new tour of the stars. We just need you to call up and tell us what you see in those neighborhoods. You don’t need to fly to Los Angeles and sit on a bus with people you don’t know. You just need to give us a little tour of what’s – I mean, yeah, this is the dream.
Claire: Amazon Prime people in Beverly Hills know what’s up.
Claire: Okay. So it’s also early spring. We’re starting a garden, and I wanted to give my little gardener corner.
Joy: Yes, gardener corner, let’s do it.
Claire: Okay, so my tip of the week – and this probably is not going to be a weekly thing. My tip for you is that depending on where you live –
Joy: I like how you’re like, “tip of the week – don’t expect this every week.” [laughing]
Claire: My one-time tip of the week. [laughing] So we live in Colorado. Obviously, you guys all know that. We have one of the shorter growing seasons in the continental United States. We are Zone 5B, which all you have to do if you don’t know your zone. Each area of the United States is zoned based on you last frost and first frost. So basically it just has to do with your growing season and how long your growing season is. Some places in the US, they don’t ever have hard frosts. So you can really grow stuff all year round. I think the shortest season we have in the continental US is Zone 4, which would be like northern Montana. But we’re in Zone 5B, which means our last frost is typically about May 15 and our first frost is typically about October 15. In Colorado, you can’t really put stuff out until – I mean, May 15 would be pretty early. It’s not uncommon for us to get snow at the end of May. But then the problem is that in the front range, we go almost directly normally from snow to hail, the threat of hailstorms. Are less than a month apart. From mid-May to mid-June, you could easily get snow in the first half of May – and not a lot of snow, but a single standalone snowstorm. And the first week of June or even the last week of May, you could easily get a thunderstorm with significant hail. The problem there is if your little plants are too little and you put them outside and they get hailed on, they’re going to die immediately. So you have to start your stuff inside. Even if it’s less than 90 days to plant from seed to harvest, anything more than 90 days you do have to start inside because you just aren’t going to have enough time to get there. But even if it’s less than 90 days, you still want to start things inside because they need to be a little bit mature when you transplant them. Otherwise they could be too susceptible to hail. So here is my tip for starting seed. A lot of times, you go to a Home Depot or a garden center or whatever and you’ll see these seed heating mats. Basically they are just fancy heating pads that you put under your seeds so that your soil is a certain temperature, so that simulates the outdoors in the spring. Here’s my hot tip. Buy a cheap electric blanket from Walmart and use that instead, and then you can put a cheap plastic shower curtain or a painter’s drop cloth if you’re worried about it getting wet. But that’s my hot tip is to use a cheap heated blanket as a seed heating mat. We have done that for the past couple of years and it’s been very effective. Sorry about the slamming doors. Evie is going in and out of my room. [laughing] So that’s my tip for you. I also would say, there is supposedly potentially going to be a seed – [Evie speaking] – going to be a seed shortage, so get your seed soon. Evie Joan, how are you?
Evie: This is my soft unicorn.
Claire: It’s your soft unicorn. [door slam]
Joy: I love how she pops her head in. She’s like, “[whispering] Hi.”
Claire: My favorite thing is Miles when he pops his head in, he’s like, “Are you on a call? Sorry.” And she goes, “Are you on a call? Okay,” and just walks in. Okay, good to know. Just for my own context.
Joy: Okay, that’s a good tip.
Claire: My other tip is that you don’t need as many starts as you probably think you do. And also, don’t stress out. If starting seeds feels like too much of a faff for you – starting seeds does take up a lot of space, so if you don’t necessarily have that much space or you have a small child or a dog at home who will destroy your seeds. We have had that happen. You can buy starts at almost every farmer’s market and the majority of hardware stores that have a garden center. Starting in May, they’re going to be selling plant starts. That’s a much more expensive route to go. But it is by no means a shameful way to start your garden.
Joy: No shame. Good garden corner. I think that’s all of our updates for this week. We had a lot of guests on this month, but we just like to have guests every once in a while, and sometimes it happens all in a row.
Claire: It’s true.
Joy: We never like to release them later. Little fun fact about me and podcasting, I do not like to pre-record things way in advance and then release them later. It just feels weird, even if people don’t listen to it for another month or two. If I don’t release it close to when we record it, it drives me nuts. So that’s why we’ve had a lot of really cool opportunities for interviews lately, and we love to take them.
Claire: Every once in a while, we’ll get some feedback about like, “Hey, this guest didn’t resonate with me. I wish your guests had more of a connection.” And we actually have the opposite mindset about it that we want to bring on guests from all different types of topics, all different types of backgrounds. We don’t see an inherent value in having guests that all have the same theme, given that our podcast doesn’t really have any one single theme. We do obviously skew very heavily towards female guests. That is something that we believe in. One of the main reasons why we started this podcast was to elevate female voices. Outside of that, we welcome and encourage and are excited to have guests from all different backgrounds with all different –
Joy: Interests and expertise and viewpoints.
Claire: Exactly. So from Gen Z entrepreneurs to Gen X manifesting gurus to coaches. I think that we really just get excited any time we have the opportunity to hear from anyone and hear their life experience and get a sense of how they look at the world. You don’t have to listen to all of our interviews, and we know that not all of them are for everybody, and that’s totally fine.
Joy: But even if you haven’t, to listen with an open mind because there’s so many times where you assume that you’re not going to like something, and then you’ll listen to it and be like, “Actually, I got something out of that.”
Claire: You know where to find us. We are on Instagram @joyandclaire_. We are at joyandclaire.com. You can email us email@example.com. We love hearing from you. We love talking with you. We love being here every Thursday to hang out with you. We’re so glad you’re here. Don’t forget to support our sponsor, Ned. Go to helloned.com, discount code JOY or helloned.com/JOY. Check out their destress blend. Check out their daily blend, which is formerly known as their full spectrum hemp extract. Check out their sleep blend. And if nothing else, go buy yourself some Chapstick. Because man, that Chapstick is still my favorite thing on this planet.
Joy: It’s the best.
Claire: Alright guys, we’ll talk to you next week. Bye.
Joy: Bye, guys.