59: Zhuzh Your Zhuzh

January 28, 2021

Favorite products, inauguration chat, day in the life of J&C, Evie’s sleep update, and what’s going on with JT and Cadet!


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Joy: Hey guys, this is Joy.

Claire: And this is Claire.

Joy: And this is Joy and Claire. And Claire, right before we hit record, look what I found.

Claire: Aw, our planners from our last trip to LA.

Joy: I feel like all we do lately is reminisce about the last trip that we ever took before the pandemic.

Claire: I know. Everyone in the US and a lot of people around the world have that moment of where were you when you found out about 9/11. We’re all going to have that moment of what’s the last thing you did before COVID.

Joy: I’m going to repeat it again. The last thing I did before COVID shut everything down is I saw Middleditch and Schwartz. Middleditch and Schwartz, I can’t say it fast. Live. It was downtown and I saw t with my friend from work. We had so much fun. We were laughing so hard that we were hitting each other. You know when you’re next to somebody and you just start laughing and you hit each other and you push each other. We were just pushing each other back and forth the whole night because we were laughing so hard. It was just so funny. I’m so glad I have a friend that we push each other. It’s not like me pushing her where you’re like, “Oh my God, stop.” She pushed me back.

Claire: And her being like, “What are you doing?”

Joy: Yeah. But this planner, I saw this because I have so many stacked up planners that I have great intentions of writing in. But I just picked this up. I’m like, oh my gosh. I just remember, okay, we can reminisce really quick. That was when we went to Create and Cultivate. We got VIP passes to go to the Create and Cultivate event in LA. We saw Jessica Simpson speak and Antony.

Claire: And Antony, yeah.

Joy: Yeah. And we got our makeup done. We got our hair done.

Claire: That was so fun.

Joy: It was so fun. It was so much fun. I just had to go down memory lane.

Claire: I use that planner. It’s just a little notebook. I used that to take notes in, and now Miles has coopted it because he is into doodling.

Joy: Yeah, and remember all the products we got? And then we got all these stickers.

Claire: I do. I still use that Kat Von D mascara that they gave us.

Joy: Oh great. That’s a year old, Claire.

Claire: Tells you how I shop for products. I feel like a year is the mascara limit, right?

Joy: Do we have the list of the phrases people hate? Because one of them is, “I was today years old.” Remember when you did that post?

Claire: Yes, I do remember it.

Joy: I hate “I was today years old when.” I don’t like that one, but I’m going to say recently I found out that on the back of any product that’s a moisturizer or makeup product, there is on the back a little mini jar with a lid that looks like it’s coming off that has a number on it. That’s how many months the product is good for once you open it.

Claire: Hot tip.

Joy: Hot tip, I didn’t know that. So if you have any products, like a jar of moisturizer, cream.

Claire: Any cosmetic.

Joy: Look at the back at the tiny little jar. I don’t know where I saw that somewhere, but it was like, wow, fun fact. I did not know about that. But you can also, fun fact, smell your products. And if they have a weird smell, you should probably throw them away.

Claire: Yeah.

Joy: Especially lipsticks. You can smell that right away. Just doesn’t smell good. Smells like clay. It starts to smell like clay.

Claire: That’s how all my makeup smells. 

Joy: You should toss that.

Claire: And then we also talked recently about the fact that perfume can go back. Because Brandon has this cologne that he has had since our wedding, which was seven years ago now. 

Joy: No, throw it away.

Claire: And he still wears it to date night. 

Joy: No, it goes bad.

Claire: So strong. I appreciate the nostalgia, but it doesn’t smell the same. Get a new bottle.

Joy: There might be a little jar tip on the back of those too, just take a look at it. If it’s over 24 months. And mostly, I have not seen one with more than 24 months on it. Mostly, like within a year is just a good time to go through all your products. So now that we’re talking about products, I have to go through some of my products. I’ll look at a lipstick, and I’m like that lipstick that I used when we did our photo shoot like three years ago, this should probably be tossed. I don’t wear lipstick anymore. It’s really sad.

Claire: Well let’s dive into some product recommendations because people asked for some, and we’re on the topic already. Let’s just dive right in.

Joy: Okay. This is not a product that I’m going to be using forever, but I was turned on recently to by my naturopath, and I’m sure everybody listening is like, “Oh my gosh, I can’t believe you’re using that.” It’s called New Wash. It’s a shampoo that is basically a non-detergent shampoo. I was telling my naturopath that lately my – one of the symptoms of Graves’ is you can get really oily skin, so I was noticing my hair was getting more oily. She was like, “Oh you should try this. My hair stylist turned me onto it. It doesn’t have any detergents. Detergents really strip your hair.” I’m sure hair stylists out there are like, “Yeah, duh.” But it’s basically like a wash that feels like a conditioner, and it’s supposed to not strip your hair of all the oils and you can go more days between washes. So I ordered it. It’s kind of expensive. But I was like, well, I’ll give it a try. And I washed my hair. You have to really scrub your scalp. And I was like, for sure this is going to make my hair greasy because it literally feels like a conditioner when you’re washing your hair. But it’s great, and actually I didn’t have to wash my hair as often last week. I felt like it’s more shiny. So I don’t think I’m going to commit to being that person that doesn’t – because I was my hair pretty –

Claire: Right, there’s a whole of “no poo” –

Joy: Yeah. I don’t know if I’m going to go the route because I like to wash my hair and I like to use different products.

Claire: You’re like, I like that squeaky-clean feeling.

Joy: Yeah. So I think that what I’m going to do is I’m going to incorporate this into my routine and probably do two or three weeks of not washing my hair with shampoo and just using the new wash. Truly you can go for longer in between shampoos. And so we’ll see how it goes. I just started using it, and I like it a lot. My hair’s not been greasy. It feels really good. It looks really shiny. New Wash. I believe the guy who created it, he works for Bumble and Bumble. I believe it’s Bumble and Bumble, so I really like that brand. I trust them.

Claire: I trust that guy. I tried to do the “no poo” movement. We talked about this years ago, I feel like. And then I also tried to do the Curly Girl thing, which my hair is naturally actually pretty wavy curly. Very wavy, bordering on curly. And I finally just realized that anything outside of a conventional shampoo and conditioner is not something that I’m going to spend money on. And anything outside of air drying my hair and maybe zhuzhing it a little bit from there is not a commitment I can make. The Curly Girl method, you would think that air drying your hair and having these natural curls would be so low maintenance because there’s no tools involved. It is the opposite.

Joy: Is the air dry Curly Girl method just air dry with nothing in it?

Claire: No, there are so many products involved. And it depends on who you are. The Curly Girl method, they have a whole line of products. But basically it was just such a whole thing. Like every time you go to the shower, there’s this whole process you have to go through, and then you get out of the shower and it’s a whole other process. Then you can’t touch your hair. You’ve got to sleep with the thing on your head. I was like, you know what, I’m just going to use a freaking curling iron. I don’t care. I recently started using – oh gosh, I’m not even going to remember what it is. It’s a type of spray from R+Co, and it is called –

Joy: Is it Dream Catcher?

Claire: Is it the Dream Catcher?

Joy: Do you have to shake it before you use it?

Claire: Don’t you have to shake all sprays before you use them?

Joy: Well, this one’s like you really have to shake it to combine it.

Claire: No, then that’s not it. Zig Zag, I think it’s called.

Joy: Oh, that’s a dry spray. It’s not a wet spray. Zig Zag is a dry spray, like a dry shampoo.

Claire: That sounds right.

Joy: Sun Catcher, Dream Catcher.

Claire: So here are the two that I’ve used in the past that I like. The Balloon dry volume spray I like from R+Co, and it’s really, really great after a workout if you’re working out in the middle of the day and you then have to get right onto a meeting. It really just helps kind of lift your roots so that you don’t look sweaty even if you are sweaty.

Joy: But it doesn’t sink into your sweat? Because that’s what I don’t like about dry shampoo.

Claire: This is not a dry shampoo. 

Joy: Oh, it’s not a dry shampoo.

Claire: Volumizing spray.

Joy: Volumizing, got it.

Claire: So it’s not a dry shampoo. I will use maybe a little bit of dry shampoo, and then I will use this and it lifts up your roots. But it’s just a really good hair style refresher.

Joy: And it’s called Balloon?

Claire: It’s called Balloon, and I would use it even if I was going to put my hair back into a pony tail because it keeps you from having that slicked back, sweaty look.

Joy: Slicked back pony. You want a little bump. You want to bump it.

Claire: Yeah, or you just don’t want it to look like you were just literally dripping sweat and you are a greaser.

Joy: Do you remember bump its?

Claire: Yes, I 1000% remember bump its. I never had one.

Joy: I did not either. That was totally Jersey Shore style. Which by the way, last year they had a comeback. I did not watch it. Anyway. So I do use Zig Zag.

Claire: Zig Zag’s like a teasing spray though. 

Joy: Okay, as much as I really love R+Co products, I wasn’t super impressed with it. On my hair, it just didn’t do much.

Claire: Oh see, on my hair it does a lot. Especially now that I have the center part, it really gives some –

Joy: Maybe I’m not using it right. I zhuzh it, but I just don’t feel like it gives me the vavoom voom.

Claire: It doesn’t give you the zhuzh that you need. It’s low zhuzh.

Joy: It’s low zhuzh. 

Claire: So first of all, I found that it can’t be the only product that you’re using. You also have to have a shine cream or something in there to –

Joy: Absorb the zhuzh.

Claire: Yeah. So first you shine, then you zhuzh. As you guys know, I’m basically a beauty influencer. 

Joy: First you bend –

Claire: First you bend, then you snap. Everybody knows. 

Joy: Okay. Speaking of R+Co, I also use the Cactus shampoo.

Claire: Oh, I did, yes.

Joy: That works like bananas.

Claire: Very texturizing.

Joy: Very texturizing. If you don’t put in product afterward and just letting it air dry, you’re very susceptible for it to be really, not frizzy, what’s the word? Like, staticky. Your hair will just start floating up. So I use that, and if I put conditioner in it after, if you’re not using the texture – because I only got the shampoo – you have to put in a teeny tiny bit of regular conditioner on the ends, so you have some moisture in there so your hair doesn’t fly away. But I do like the Cactus shampoo. Because that stuff that’s texturizing makes your hair super, super volumy. My hair’s just been a little bit flatter lately. The autoimmune stuff too affects how your hair is. I feel like that’s been helping a lot. But I’m a huge fan of the Streicher Sisters. I think they’re so cute. Next time I got to LA, I’m totally going to their salon and buying a bow or something. But they’re so cute and they have a product line through R+Co. So they developed Sun Catcher, Dream Catcher, and Zig Zag.

Claire: Oh, I didn’t realize. I knew that they were a partner. I didn’t realize they actually did – okay, got it.

Joy: So they created those products.

Claire: Real quick. Hot tip. 

Joy: Hot tip.

Claire: So you said the thing about your hair doesn’t have as much oomph. I used to love Desert and I used it all the time. And then when I went through postpartum, if anyone here is listening who’s had a kid in the last two years you know that your flyaways are just bananas. I have crazy bald spots. The Cactus shampoo is bad for that. 

Joy: It’s bad for that because it will just accentuate the flyaways. 

Claire: Really bad for flyaways. So that’s when I stopped using it. If you are someone who is recently growing out a bald patch for whatever reason, that product is not for you.

Joy: Not for now.

Claire: Not for now.

Joy: So R+Co’s great. I’ve been playing around with their products a lot. So if I was going to buy something over again, I do like Dream Catcher but I’m having a hard time. Maybe I need to reach out to the Streicher Sisters. Dream Catcher makes my hair a little greasy, so I’m maybe doing too much, too little. I don’t know if I’m rubbing it in enough. I need to play around with it a little more. I don’t think I’m doing the zhuzh quite enough.

Claire: Your zhuzh could use zhuzhing.

Joy: Yeah, my zhuzh could use some zhuzhing. So I follow the Streicher Sisters because Ashley Streicher who’s the hair stylist of the three – so there are three sisters. One does brows, one does makeup, one does hair. Super cute salon. They do all the celebs, like BFFs with Mandy Moore.

Claire: And aren’t they the ones that are making the standup brows, which to me is the most hysterical. The first time I saw that, I was like, am I being trolled?

Joy: I could probably do it if I would actually go and have her do my brows because I think it’d be great.

Claire: Why don’t you just use a glue stick?

Joy: Because she trims them so they’re not sticking all the way up.

Claire: You could trim them. Do you have nail clippers?

Joy: Yeah, I don’t want to trim my brows. That scares me, that scares me.

Claire: Really? You’ve never trimmed your brows?

Joy: No, never.

Claire: I trim my brows all the time.

Joy: Do you really? I wish you could see Claire. She’s pushing her eyebrows up. You look like Charlie Chaplin. 

Claire: Yeah, I am like descended from the Eugene Levy. I mean, not literally.

Joy: Yeah, you are.

Claire: But we have kindred eyebrows.

Joy: You do.

Claire: Oh yeah, I have to trim my eye brows all the time. Otherwise I get Albert Einstein wires. It’s not hard. It’s not as scary as you think. Although, the consequences of me messing up my eyebrows are so low because they’ll grow back within moments. Any time I get a back wax, I’m like, eh, this will grow back next week.

Joy: Yeah, it’s so funny. So a few years ago I bought one of those little eyebrow trimmers that’s literally this big. It looks like a pencil, so you just trim your eyebrows. I think it was like $5 at Target. And I’ll never forget the first time that I was using it, I flipped it the wrong way. So the angle that I had it ended up chopping my eyelashes off.

Claire: What? Your eye lashes?

Joy: Yes, because there’s two sides. There’s a tiny side and there’s a longer side. So the angle that I was doing my brows caught my eyelashes. I wasn’t paying attention to the other side, and it chopped my eyelashes off.

Claire: You’re lucky you didn’t stab yourself in the eye, geez.

Joy: Beauty blunders.

Claire: For real.

Joy: Any other products that you’re loving? We just went off on R+Co, but truly the people that I follow for products is the Streicher Sisters. I love Cupcakes and Cashmere. She always does fun beauty products. Busy Phillips sometimes posts some cute products, so I’ll follow her at times.

Claire: Busy Phillips stories lately, I feel like she’s filming for something and sometimes she comes on and it’s like drag queen. She’s so much makeup.

Joy: Yeah, she’s filming for a show that Tina Fey is doing.

Claire: Oh cute.

Joy: It’s called Girls5Eva. It’s about a girls’ punk band or something.

Claire: That’s really funny.

Joy: I’m really excited to see it, so yeah. I’m like, Tina Fey, no big deal, just doing a show in New York City. I love that. Yeah. So she’s got super glam makeup at times.

Claire: I’m trying to think if there’s anything else. I mean, I’m not a products person really. So I’m trying to think if there’s any snacks or foods that I’ve been into lately from brands. Oh okay, here’s one.

Joy: Okay.

Claire: So I get a lot of DMs on my personal Instagram about canned fish. You guys know how I feel about this, but here’s what people are saying. They’re like, Claire – Joy is going to throw up. They’re like, Claire, I want to eat more canned fish. How do I get started? You guys are probably thinking, Claire, no one’s asked you that. This is like, people have been asking me about my skincare routine and you just want to talk about tinned fish. I don’t. People ask me this. So here’s what to do. 

Joy: I know there’s a lot of people out there that love it.

Claire: It’s because it’s, and here’s the thing –

Joy: It’s probably so good for you.

Claire: It’s really good for you. It’s high in Omega 3s. It’s high in protein. Three’s a lot of zinc and stuff in certain tinned fishes that you can’t get a lot of other places very easily. It’s cost effective. It lasts forever. It’s just a great pantry staple if you can learn to love it. So, here’s what you got to do. Everybody knows tuna fish. Start with how you feel about tuna fish. If you think tuna is too fishy, then go to mackerel. Mackerel is not as fishy as tuna. If you’re fine with the fishiness of tuna, go to sardines. But start with bristling sardines. Bristling sardines are like baby sardines. They’re not as fishy, and they’re not as bony. You can eat the bones in full-size sardines, but sometimes you kind of crunch them going down. Okay. Sorry. [laughing]

Joy: It’s for the fans of fish.

Claire: And then also, a similar amount of fishiness is canned salmon to tuna. Everyone’s familiar with the flavor of salmon, but it is pretty oily in a canned version. So you definitely are going to want to turn it into cracker dip the first time you eat it. Then once you’re feeling pretty good about the fishes, then you can move onto the mollusks. So clams are really, really good canned. I love the Patagonia ones, and then there’s another company called Scout that both Patagonia and Scout are super, super high-quality sustainability for all their fish and canned fish sourcing. Then there’s another one that’s got an Italian name and I’m sorry that I’m not going to be able to remember it, but they have really good muscles. It’s a red box. They taste pretty ocean-y, so you got to be ready for that. If you’re not into the ocean flavor, then you’re not going to like canned muscles. If you don’t like regular muscles, you’re probably not going to like canned muscles. Versus like canned fish can be prepared pretty mildly.

Joy: What are those round things?

Claire: Muscles?

Joy: What are those round little things that you can eat?

Claire: A round little thing to eat that’s a fish…

Joy: It’s seafood. I got sick on it once.

Claire: You’re thinking of scallops.

Joy: Scallops, thank you.

Claire: I don’t think those come in a canned version.

Joy: No, I just thought of seafood, and I was like I got sick off of scallops one year.

Claire: It’s easy to get sick off scallops. Especially if you make them yourself. They’re harder to DIY than you think.

Joy: No, got them at a restaurant downtown, and I wrote them and they never wrote me back.

Claire: Travesty. And now you can’t eat canned muscles because of that one time. Scout, the company that I was talking about, also has a canned lobster that I’ve never tried. I really want to try it, but it’s very expensive, so I have never taken the plunge. Anyway, and both Patagonia and Scout will ship to you. So I will also say, tuna obviously, salmon, and sardines can mix it with mayonnaise and it kind of tastes more like a dip. A lot of people don’t think about mixing sardines with mayonnaise. You definitely can. Scallops you cannot, don’t try it. Always start eating them on toast or a cracker or something, and start with a little bite. Don’t just go straight from the can. You’re going to freak yourself out. So there you have it guys. Claire’s –

Joy: Really good for you –

Claire: Intro to tinned fish. If you’re interested. If not, that’s fine. Don’t eat it.

Joy: If you’re interested, dip your toe into a can of fish. Can we take a little curve into acknowledging the amazing Inauguration last week?

Claire: Yes.

Joy: I mean, everyone saw it.

Claire: I cried.

Joy: It was amazing. I started crying when Kamala did her oath –

Claire: Sworn in.

Joy: – when she was sworn in. Got super emotional when she was sworn in. And also how cute when Joe Biden, when he was like, “Alright” after she got sworn in. He’s like, “Yeah!” Gave her a little cheer. I think the highlight was obviously Amanda Gordon and her amazing poem that just kind of rocked the world.

Claire: Amanda Gorman, right? Not Gordon.

Joy: Oh, sorry. Amanda Gordon. Wait – Amanda…

Claire: Gorman.

Joy: Amanda Gorman.

Claire: There you go.

Joy: And Gaga was great. I feel like her pin –

Claire: Her broach, yeah.

Joy: Her broach. 

Claire: Although, I also saw a very felt-really-on-point tweet that was like, “Let the hunger games begin,” and it was her with her big broach. Yeah, that is very Mocking Jay.

Joy: It really was.

Claire: You look very Capitol people right now.

Joy: Yes. I loved her. I always love a Gaga moment. J Lo was great.

Claire: Also, probably my favorite tweet from the Inauguration – and there were a lot – but probably my favorite one was, “I can’t believe Mike Pence has seen Gaga live and I haven’t.”

Joy: Yeah. I mean, so many crunchy old white men seeing Gaga before me, it’s just live, it’s not fair. But no, I think my favorite moment from the entertainment standpoint was when J Lo threw in a, “Let’s get loud.”

Claire: That was funny. I was like, really? Right now? Okay.

Joy: Really? Should we all stand up, I’m so confused.

Claire: Not a choice I would have made.

Joy: Let’s get loud. Oh my gosh. Anyways, she was great. One of our friends made a good point that she must have had some serious vocal coaching because she was really good. Not that she’s not a great singer, but you wouldn’t expect that precision.

Claire: Sure, right. She’s not known for –

Joy: Not a lot of background hoopla. She really nailed it. So good job, J Lo.

Claire: Loved it. It was a big moment. I’m not a crier, and I definitely cried. Okay, this episode, as you can tell, is going to be a little all over the map. We asked you guys for some ideas for content for the next couple of episodes. Some of them are going to be bigger topics than other topics, but we wanted to just get to some of the quicker ones today. So we’re going to start really quickly with a day in the life. Do you want me to go first?

Joy: Sure.

Claire: Okay. So here’s a day in my life. And my days look a little bit different depending on if I can fit in a workout or how busy my workday is, but that’s probably true for everyone. I’m just going to give you the gist. So I am not a morning person, and I have tried so many times in my life to be a morning person. 

Joy: Don’t fight it.

Claire: I just can’t do it. So on a normal day, I just let my kids wake me up. I haven’t set an alarm in like five years because the kids wake up first. So the kids wake up sometime between 6:30 and 7:30. I get up and make the kids –

Joy: How’s Evie’s sleep going?

Claire: It’s getting so much better, oh my gosh. Evie’s sleep is getting so much better.

Joy: Okay, great.

Claire: We ended up buying – we, I – ended up buying the big little feelings course, which is a parenting tips. It’s two women. One of them is a mom, and then one of them is – I mean, they’re both moms. They’re best friends. One of them is actually child neuroscientist or something. And then the other one, I don’t want to say is “just a mom.” But she’s not also –

Joy: Sure, right.

Claire: It’s like you and me. We talk about feelings. You’re a psychiatrist. I’m just someone who has feelings.

Joy: Right.

Claire: So I was going to buy the Taking Care of Babies. Which first of all, Taking Care of Babies has gotten super dramatic now because everyone found out that she donated a bunch of money to the Trump campaign and she’s a baby sleep influencer. She has a 1.3 million followers on Instagram.

Joy: How did they find out she donated money?

Claire: Because all the campaign donation records are public.

Joy: Ohhh.

Claire: And so not only did she personally donate, but she donated on behalf of her business.

Joy: Oh. 

Claire: Which was a bad move.

Joy: Bad move.

Claire: I mean, anyway. I’m not going to go down that. So I didn’t buy her course. This was prior to that information coming out. Prior to that, I decided not to buy her course because it’s mostly for just up to 24 months. And since Evie is 23.7 months old, I was like this is not going to be relevant to me. So I bought the other one which is for kids 1-5. And the sleeping section is sort of – not an afterthought, but it’s only one of eight units. So at first I was worried, like, oh this isn’t going to be enough. But if you’re somebody that already has a toddler, let alone also an older kid like we do, I didn’t need to start at square one. I have a lot of sleep experience with different sleep tactics. We did Cry it Out with Miles. That was fine. We’ve Babywise. We’ve done a bunch of different things. So I didn’t feel like I needed to start at square one. The Big Little Feelings, what their sleep section did for me was help me reorganize what I already knew and just give me some clear, like, okay here’s what you got to do. You’ve got to make a schedule. You’ve got to communicate it to your toddler all day. And then you just have to follow through on the schedule. And then here’s what you’re going to do when they cry. It was sort of putting the pieces back into place that I already knew, but helping me format them where and make a plan in a time of panic about sleeping. Like when you’re sleep deprived and you’re just desperate, even though you know all the stuff it’s really hard to bring it together into a cohesive plan.

Joy: Yeah, that’s great.

Claire: So what we’ve been doing is we do dinner and we tell her, “First dinner, then bath, then teeth, then jammies, then sit” – which is where we just sit and rock her – “then night night. And when it’s time for night night, I’m going to close your door and I’m not going to come back in.” Close the door, she screams, one minute later I go back in and say, “I love you, goodnight.” Close the door. Two minutes later, go back in, “I love you, goodnight.” The first night, I had to go back in –

Joy: Building increments.

Claire: Right. So then at three minutes, you just go back every three minutes for the rest of the night. And three minutes of a kid screaming feels like an hour. And if I felt like she really had redlined, I would have pulled the plug. But the first night, it took her about 20-25 minutes of a variable amount of upsetness before she finally laid down and went to sleep. Second night, about ten minutes. Third night, none.

Joy: Wow.

Claire: And I was like, is this all the freaking I had to do this whole damn time? I’ve been sitting in her room two hours a night for three months, and all I had to do was explain to her that when night night time comes, I’m not going to come back. I was so mad. 

Joy: All you needed to do was communicate.

Claire: On the one hand, I was like, thank God, this is a lot of [00:23:53.21 UNCLEAR]. But on the other hand, I was like, are you freaking kidding me? All this time, all I had to do was tell her, “First jammies, then night night.” What the f***? So anyway. 

Joy: She just needs to know what’s coming, just needs to know what’s coming.

Claire: And then we have a timer. She’s obsessed with the timer. She wants to just set the timer and just watch it. She called it Tina. [in Evie’s voice] “Tina?” I forget what I was even talking about.

Joy: You were talking about your schedule. I derailed you on the sleep thing. I apologize.

Claire: It’s okay. Kids wake up. We make breakfast. Maxine, who is our au pair who lives with us, comes upstairs at 8:30.

Joy: Did she get extended by the way?

Claire: Yes, she’s extended until the summer, and then we’re probably going to try and get another extension so she’ll be here until this next year. So. Maxine comes upstairs at 8:30. We sort of co-parent I guess you would say until I go downstairs for work at 9. Sit in my little office from 9, on a perfect day, until 11. At 11, I drive to the gym. It takes 25 minutes to get there. I know this is crazy, but I really like my gym. And I don’t like –

Joy: It’s a great gym.

Claire: It’s a great gym. And I go to CrossFit Roots. I love it there, and I have not loved the closer gyms. And it’s also really close to my office, and one day, one day guys the office will reopen and I will get to go to my gym and it’s only going to be seven minutes away.

Joy: So excited. And I’ll meet you there because one of my offices is so close to your office.

Claire: Love it.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: Can’t wait. It’s some far off distant future. I go to the gym. I work out from 11:30 to 12:30. I drive home. Sometimes I’m on a call or doing something in one of those transits. I get home at 1. I eat lunch. I work until 5. At 5, I go upstairs and I start making dinner pretty much immediately. Maxine at that point we’re sort of co-parenting. She stays on the clock until 6. At 6 o’clock, I’m trying to have dinner on the table. We eat dinner. That takes somewhere between 20-30 minutes usually. And then we do bath. First bath, then brush teeth –

Joy: Then jammies.

Claire: Then jammies. And then Miles goes downstairs and I turn on a movie for him. Then I put Evie to bed. So Miles gets a movie that starts usually around 7. Because that was the other thing we realized was we were trying to put both kids down at the same time. And Miles is five, he doesn’t need to go to bed at 6:45/7 o’clock at night. He should be going to bed at 8/8:30. And especially because he’s a later sleeper. He’s usually the last one in the house who’s awake, so we were just trying to put him to bed too early. So he goes downstairs, and he get to watch a movie. In the summer, that might change because it will be nice out. Maybe he can go on a walk with dad or something, but it’s January. Put Evie to bed. At that point, I clean, I sit on the kitchen floor for five minutes and then normally I just go downstairs and finishing watching Miles movie with him, put him to bed, and then I go to bed.

Joy: And curate memes. 

Claire: I curate memes throughout the day really. So that’s my day. There’s not a lot of free time in there, you may have noticed. My drive to and from gym, maybe I’ll listen to an audio book. Right now, I’m listening to Leaders Eat Last. It’s okay. And then on the weekends, it’s pretty much just parenting the whole time. And then also, you know when I’m working the kids are constantly coming in. You might be able to hear them screaming in the back right now. So it’s not as linear as that, but there you have it. Alright, Joy. Your turn.

Joy: Alright. Here we go. So I wake up to dogs. So Cadet’s on a schedule, and she usually gets up between 1 and 3 to go to the bathroom. It’s always going to be that way. She’s almost one year old, so it’s like, whatever, she gets up early. I’m waiting for the day that she sleeps through the whole night. So she gets up and then she gets me back up around 4:30/5 o’clock. So I’m usually up between 4:30 and 5, hang out with the dogs for about an hour, and I just putz around. I listen to The Daily. I make coffee, feed Cadet, and then I go workout at the gym or do a little treadmill walk. Come back, shower, go to work. Work all day. Then I usually come home and walk the dogs. During the day, I’ll usually take a lunch break, and I’m usually walking a dog during lunch. Then I come home at night and I walk dogs. Then I either end the podcast, depending on what day it is, or we have dinner and then we watch a show. Scott and I will pick a show or movie or something to watch. Or Scott will play a video game if I want to watch Bling Empire or some type of reality show that he doesn’t want to watch. He loves video games, so he goes and plays his video game. That’s our life. That’s been our life since March 2020. We don’t go anywhere, we don’t do anything. We walk our dogs outside, we come home, we watch TV, we go to the grocery store occasionally, we order food in. That’s a day in the life of Joy.

Claire: I should add that sometimes Miles goes to school. On Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, he goes to basically an outdoor playgroup from 1-4. 

Joy: Oh, that’s nice.

Claire: It’s really far, it’s like 25 minutes away. Why? I don’t know. I make bad choices. We try to have it so that the same person doesn’t drop him off as pick him up because then that’s just so much driving for that person. So usually I go one direction or the other a lot of the times. So there you have it. Those are days of our lives.

Joy: We have very exciting lives. You know, we shouldn’t have exciting lives right now. 

Claire: No, it’s so true.

Joy: Because we’re still in a pandemic.

Claire: Although this time last year that’s pretty much what my life looked like too, that I was at the office working and I would take a lunch break and go to the gym. Okay, the other thing that we were going to do today. So I was talking via text to Megan, who Megan and Joel were on our podcast that we did back in April where we were interviewing some of our listeners about being in quarantine. So Megan and Joel were on, and then Tina was on if you guys want to go back and listen to the episode. I don’t even know what number it was.

Joy: Oh my gosh, yeah.

Claire: That was so fun. And Megan and Joel also went to Iceland for us and came to Camp Timeout. The point of the story is I was texting Megan.

Joy: And they’re the best.

Claire: She’s the best, they’re the best. We were talking about my egg breakfast that I’ve been making with the oatmeal.

Joy: It looks great.

Claire: It’s so good. If you guys don’t follow my personal Instagram, it is quick oats made with unsweetened vanilla almond milk and then you put a soft-boiled egg on top. No, it’s not weird. Everyone’s like, “Okay, but here’s my question: is the almond milk too sweet?” Unsweetened vanilla almond milk has almost the exact same flavor as just cooked oats. So really –

Joy: It kind of blends right in.

Claire: The whole situation is very mild, but I love it. So we were texting about that, and I used an acronym in texting that she didn’t know. She was like, “Wow, I had a really good time figuring out what that acronym was going to mean. You guys should do a segment on the podcast where people send you these random acronyms and young people speak and you try to figure out what it means in real time.” We are going to do that now. 

Joy: Oh my God. I’m going to lose. I already feel like I’m 80.

Claire: So we asked for your submissions. If we don’t know what it is, we’re going to guess what it might mean and then we’ll look it up. Okay, let’s start with “yeet.” Yeet.

Joy: Like yeesy? I don’t know. Oh my God, I’m already losing.

Claire: I think it means… 

Joy: I think of Kanye.

Claire: Get rid of, go away. I just think of like the throw away, I guess. I don’t know. Let’s see what it means.

Joy: Okay, like get?

Claire: Okay. “Yeet is an exclamation of excitement, approval, surprise, or all-around energy, often as issued when doing a dance move or throwing something.” 

Joy: Oh yeah. Great. 

Claire: Okay, here’s the full Urban Dictionary entry. “To discard an item at a high velocity.” 

Joy: Okay.

Claire: Okay. The secondary definition is, “A word one may scream while propelling an object through the air at alarming speeds.”

Joy: Okay. 

Claire: So that’s kind of… those are all… to throw with some force. Great, now we know. “Cap, no cap.”

Joy: Cap, no cap?

Claire: Yeah. Like I don’t know, can you use it in a sentence? I think people just say it. No cap. I don’t know.

Joy: Does that mean like grammar? I don’t know. I feel so old. Okay, what is it?

Claire: I don’t know.

Joy: Cap, no cap. 

Claire: Cap, no cap. “The expression ‘cap’ is slang meaning a lie or B.S. The expression no cap is slang meaning ‘no lie’ or ‘for real.’” So if you say, “no cap,” it’s like, “for real.” And “cap” is like “B.S.”

Joy: No lie. 

Claire: Why? 

Joy: I don’t know.

Claire: Okay.

Joy: Okay. Lost number two. Let’s keep going. I love periot.

Claire: Periot-t-t-t-t. 

Joy: It’s so great.

Claire: Why? Why?

Joy: Periot. Because sometimes you just need a periot.

Claire: Periot-t-t-t-t.

Joy: I love that one. 

Claire: That one is just an emphasized. 

Joy: Someone said, “Please tell people that Netflix and chill does not actually mean watching a show on your lounge set.”

Claire: That’s true. If you guys didn’t know that, it means hanging out and having sex. Now you know. “Snatched.” Does it not –

Joy: Does not mean taken.

Claire: Not pertaining to the Olympic lift?

Joy: It does not. Or it does not mean taken. Snatched is the new fleek. “It’s used to describe anything that looks really good or on point.” I love how I’m reading this so proper.

Claire: Right, academically.

Joy: “Anything from your eyebrows to your outfit can be snatched. If your eyebrows are slaying, they’re snatched. If your outfit is slaying, it’s snatched.” 

Claire: Sounds very close to “fetch.”

Joy: I like “fetch” better. Okay. 

Claire: “Stan?”

Joy: Stan, nope.

Claire: I could use it in a sentence. Like you can stan a person, and I think it means that you really like them. “An overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity or to be an overzealous or obsessive fan of that particular celebrity.” So if you stan someone, you just love them.

Joy: I like that one.

Claire: I wonder where it came from. “Stan is slang for someone who is a very zealous fan, especially a celebrity or music group. Stan could also be a verb for liking something a great deal.” Like, you can stan something. “I can stan that” means like, “I love it.”

Joy: How about, what’s “bet”? I looked that up. “Bet is in response to a statement. Slang for ‘fo sho.’”

Claire: “Fo sho” is slang. You can’t have slang for slang.

Joy: “Slang for ‘fo sho,’ which is slang for ‘for sure,’ which means ‘sure’ or ‘okay.’”

Claire: Thank you. So bet just means for sure.

Joy: For sure. “Everything is set?” My friend: “Bet.”

Claire: Got it.

Joy: For sure.

Claire: “Ham?”

Joy: Going ham?

Claire: Yeah, going ham.

Joy: Going ham on… on ham.

Claire: Going ham on anything. Just means you’re going really hard. “FOMO.” We all know fear of missing out. 

Joy: Great.

Claire: “TLDR.”

Joy: Oh I love that one. Too long, didn’t read.

Claire: Too long, didn’t read.

Joy: That one didn’t come up. I didn’t learn that one until way later.

Claire: “IYKYK.” If you know, you know.

Joy: If you know, you know.

Claire: Let’s see here. We only have a few more left. At least I know the acronyms. Somebody says, “P.s. I work with a 23-year-old. Makes me feel old every day.” [laughing] “Slaps.” Like, that’s slaps? Like, that’s good, right? 

Joy: Okay.

Claire: Isn’t that what that means.

Joy: Sure.

Claire: Okay, great. “Ship?” I think it means if you ship somebody. Like, you can ship – I’m going to be wrong. I think it’s like you can ship two people, like you want them to be a couple.

Joy: “Shipping refers to the phenomenon. A ship is the concept of a fictional couple. To ship a couple means to have an affinity for it in one way or another. A shipper, or a fangirl/boy is somebody significantly involved with such an affinity. A shipping war is when two ships contradict each other, causing…” I don’t understand this at all.

Claire: This is a lot of ship. You can use it as a verb. Like, “I just ship them,” like you want them to be together. I only know that from Instagram.

Joy: Okay, now I’m going to Urban Dictionary. “Ship, usually two people who you ship. Meaning that you either want them to become an item, kiss, or enter into a romantic sexual relationship. Usually when you ship someone, you smile when they interact somehow or become extremely giddy when they do something together.” 

Claire: That hasn’t been clear at all.

Joy: I like this in a sentence. “I totally shipped Dean and Castile.”

Claire: Great.

Joy: I shipped them.

Claire: You like them together.

Joy: You like them. You would like them to be together. Okay.

Claire: Got it. I think that’s it. “Simp?” I think this is from an internet game. What’s that game…?

Joy: The Sims?

Claire: No, not the Sims, definitely not. “Simp is an internet slang term used pejoratively for someone who is seen as using excessive sympathy and attention toward another person in order to win their affection.”

Joy: Okay, I like that.

Claire: Urban Dictionary defines a simp as “someone who does way too much for a person that they like.” Great. Okay guys, well that just made me feel – I’m only 33 and that made me feel so –

Joy and Claire: Old.

Joy: At least I know what outfit of the day is.

Claire: OOTD. I’m glad I knew what “yeet” meant. That made me feel good.

Joy: Yeet.

Claire: Yeet. Oh my goodness. Oh, here’s the other one. “Suss.” That one’s the one’s that from a game. Suss. Isn’t it like, suspicious? Just a word for suspicious?

Joy: Sure.

Claire: “Giving the impression that something is questionable or dishonest. Suspicious.” Yeah, where does this come from? “A short term used by Among Us kids” – that’s the name of the game, Among Us – “to describe something or someone suspicious. When someone does something to show that they are a possible imposter.” I don’t know how Among Us works at all –

Joy: I don’t either.

Claire: But I did know that “suss” was from that. Thank you, guys, for allowing us to have no idea what stuff means. That was very fun. Do you want to give a quick update on JT and Cadet and then we will wrap it on up.

Joy: Yes. Absolutely. So JT retires this week. For those of you who missed the story that I put, I think I also posted this on Instagram, but JT has been working with me through Canine Companions for Independence. It’s a service dog agency that provides service animals free of charge for people who apply for them. Either you are someone who needs a service dog, a service animal. If you have a physical disability or some type of disability where you need an animal present to help you. If you’re a parent with a child with a disability that would be beneficial to them, you can have it’s called a skilled companion dog. And then they have a third category called a facility dog. So JT is a facility dog, and he’s been working with me in behavioral health since 2013. We became a working team in 2013.

Claire: I can’t believe it’s been that long.

Joy: I know. So I remember, we started the podcast that year and I’ll never forget I went out to California to train with Canine Companions and we had to record a bunch before I left. And so I think it just is so funny that I got him the year when we started recording. So over the years, he’s been working with me on and off. I worked at the diversion program for the DA’s office before I came over to Kaiser. So he’s been working in different settings with different groups with different types of patients. And then when he got sick this fall, you may or may not recall if you follow us on Instagram that he had pneumonia in the fall, so he got really sick. And then just since then I started noticing him kind of slowing down a little bit. Not in the sense that he was going downhill, but I just knew in my heart –

Claire: He’s just getting older.

Joy: He’s just getting older. He just turned nine. And by the time our office is really open back up again, he’ll be 10 and I don’t know if I want to keep working him that hard as he gets older. The other thing that led me to retire him was the agency CCI, we recertify every three years. So every three years, they contact you. You have to go through the commands. A trainer will watch you to make sure that you’re still a working team and that the dogs still know all their commands. So they emailed me and they said, “Hey, JT’s certification is up. It expires the end of January. We’ll just schedule you with a trainer to do a video over Zoom and we’ll watch the commands,” and I was like, you know what, I need to talk to the graduate office. They have people who actually talk to graduates and make sure that you’re a good working team. And so I talked to the graduate office and I said, “This is what I’m noticing with JT. I think it might be time for him to retire.” So we had a good conversation. They ran through all the things that you should be looking for in a dog that’s ready to retire, and they’re like, “Joy, we’re so glad that you called us. Because normally it’s us calling the graduates telling them that it’s probably time to retire their dog. And it’s actually better for the dog’s health to make sure that they’re living out their golden years relaxed and happy and just living as a dog.” So we made the decision together. His license, his certification, expires this week. So he’ll live the rest of his life with us as a pet dog, and we’re going to be just focused on training Cadet. So that’s the story with Mr. JT. A lot of people think that we’re going to keep Cadet or that Cadet is going to replace JT, and that’s not how CCI works. So when you sign up to raise a puppy, you’re raising the puppy to then give back to them after they are 16-17 months, and they go to advanced training. Once they go to advanced training, if they pass all the commands and all the benchmarks of advanced training, then they are matched with someone who needs a service animal. So the reason they do that is you don’t know when a dog gets to advanced training how they’re going to emerge, what their personality’s going to be like, what strengths are going to show. So they will evaluate what the strengths are for that certain dog and then match them with the type of person that is applying for the dog, so they do a really good job of matching people with the perfect dogs. So it’s going to be hard either way, but it was really cute. Someone recently DM’d us. I think it was your friend Heather. She was so cute. She asked if we were going to keep Cadet or if Cadet was going to replace JT, and I was like, no, explained what I just said. And she goes, “Oh, so either a family wins or the Parrish’s win?” I was like, yes, that’s a great simple way to put it. Either a family or an individual who needs a service animal is going to get her, or if she doesn’t pass training then we get to keep her as a pet. 

Claire: Win, win.

Joy: Win, win, yeah.

Claire: And you have said that you are likely not going to pursue getting another animal that you work with.

Joy: Right. Probably not, only because looking forward in my life over the next maybe 8-10 years because applying for another dog would take another year in and of itself, I don’t know what my career is going to be like for that long. I’m probably not going to be doing a lot of therapy moving forward. I’ve been doing a lot of management work in the clinic, which I’m still able to work with JT because I’m still around patients and stuff. But I don’t know what my job is going to look like even years from now. Back then, I knew that was my path for a long time.

Claire: And in a way, gives you more flexibility too because you aren’t kind of beholden to this contract to use a dog in a certain way in your job.

Joy: Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Claire: Versus somebody who, for them it’s a companion animal where they’re going to need them no matter what they do.

Joy: Exactly.

Claire: Well there you have it.

Joy: There you have it.

Claire: So how much longer do you have Cadet? 

Joy: She will be with us through the summer, so I want to say her turn-in date that they gave us is August. I’m already preparing in my mind for July because it’s very likely that they will turn in dogs earlier, so I’m just preparing myself for July.

Claire: It’s going by so fast.

Joy: I know. She turns one in February, which is insane. 

Claire: It’s crazy. And it’s crazy because you got her after COVID started.

Joy: Yeah, right after COVID started.

Claire: She’s going to be COVID training dog. None of us will ever get to hang out with her.

Joy: I know. It’s just so funny because she’s such a cool dog. And like today, we worked on a lot of commands at work, and she’s such a cool presence to –

Claire: Has it been hard not being able to take her, you know, you can’t, like the mall’s not open or whatever. Like places where there aren’t crowds where she can be around. Is that a problem?

Joy: Not really because we’ve been around the office a lot. And I take her walking in places that are pretty busy, like traffic-wise, traffic noise.

Claire: To try to make up for that?

Joy: Yeah, to try to make up for that. And so with crowds, I think that’s a really good point because she won’t have that experience of being around crowds, but I do take her to work a lot and I’ll walk her around the clinics. We go over to primary care. We see the nurses and the doctors, and so there’s people around her. That’s been a good practice for her because she knows how to get into the car and get out of the car on her own. She knows the drill of waiting for me to open the door, so there’s little things that she’s already learning just from going to work with me. I was afraid of the same thing. Probably in a couple months, I’ll probably take her to Target or the grocery store when I don’t really have to have anything to go get just to have practice of taking her into a different store or a different environment. But work, it’s kind of cool because work already has scenarios that she’s going to encounter. Like doors that open, the revolving doors that open.

Claire: Right, your elevator.

Joy: Elevator, stairs. So there’s things that I just kind of walk around and practice with her. But it is going to be different, and CCI knows that. We’re in contact with them constantly. We have this blog that we read all the time and they’re like, “We know this is really hard during COVID. Just do what you can. These dogs are really smart. It’s going to be okay.”

Claire: Well, because I remember you saying that the family that raised JT would take him at Disney Land constantly. She’s not going to have anything like that, obviously.

Joy: No, yeah. The family that raised JT lives in Anaheim, and they’re just the sweetest family. They have like ten kids, and he had an annual pass to Disney Land, so he would just go every day and take JT to Disney Land.

Claire: That’s so amazing.

Joy: It’s the best. They’re the best. And their last name is Wolf, and so I’m a part of the Wolf pack when I got JT. 

Claire: How cute.

Joy: They’re like, “You’re a part of the Wolf pack,” yeah.

Claire: So will you know who gets Cadet.

Joy: Yes. So CCI, here’s the thing too. I will know, but it’s also – CCI does a very good job and I know why they do this. They don’t ever want the graduates to feel like they have to keep in touch with the puppy raisers.

Claire: Sure, yeah.

Joy: And I get that. I think it’s an important practice because these people are getting dogs for service. They don’t want to have to feel like they owe anything to the puppy raiser. But most people want to know who raised their dog.

Claire: For sure, you’re curious, like what were they like as a puppy.

Joy: Yes, totally. But there may be some people that they just need the dog or maybe they can’t verbally talk, those type of things, you just don’t want to ever –

Claire: Right, there’s other communication –

Joy: There’s other communication. So I mean, when I got – they give you a little card of who your puppy raiser was. And when they have the graduation ceremony, the puppy raisers can come to graduation and then they pass over the leash when they turn the dog over to the graduate. It’s all very emotional. Everybody cries. I don’t know if we’ll get that experience this year. Actually, we probably will because she probably wouldn’t graduate until 2022. So they give you a card of who the puppy raisers were. And so of course when I met them, I’m like we are keeping in touch. I text them all the time. I let them know JT was retiring. They’re just so sweet. They’re the sweetest people ever.

Claire: that’s so cute. Well, there you have it. A big dog update.

Joy: Yeah, I hope whoever she ends up with if it’s not us, I definitely hope they keep in touch. It’ll be really hard.

Claire: I mean, is there anything yet, if she was having a hard time, like if she wasn’t going to meet her training milestones if you will, is that something like a red flag that already would have started coming up or not necessarily?

Joy: No, not necessarily. Because I’ve had puppy raiser friends who are like, I will never forget one of my friends James raised this dog Pilar and she was a hellion and she graduated with this badass motorcycle guy in a wheelchair. It was the perfect fit because her personality was just like, oh my God, that’s so Pilar. And so it was hard to tell. I remember when we dog sat for her and I remember after she left, Scott and I were like, “Oh my God, she’s a hell-“ She was just a handful you know, so it was just really funny. But she passed, and so it’s really hard to tell.

Claire: I was really thinking the other way around. If she’s doing really well obviously and learning all her commands and she hasn’t really even temperament, would you be able to tell by now if she was, you know – 

Joy: If you’re like, oh this isn’t going to cut –

Claire: Pilar was more like, oh my gosh, we’re surprised she passed. But you’re more like, from what I’ve seen with you working with Cadet, it would be almost a surprise at this point if something came up where she wasn’t going to pass. Does that happen?

Joy: Yeah, for sure it happens, and it may happen as they get older too. For example, JT developed a fear of thunder and lightning that just got stronger over the years, so we just have to work with him and it’s fine. With his nature of work, it doesn’t affect his job. Because if we’re at work, he doesn’t usually react as much as when we’re at work as when we’re at home. I don’t know why, but that develops a little bit stronger, like we didn’t notice it for the first three or four years we had him and then over the years it kind of developed. There’s definitely things dogs can develop over time, and we just never know when she gets to advanced training she might all of the sudden be like, “I don’t like statues.” You just never know.

Claire: Right, like she only will go in the elevator with Joy.

Joy: Totally, totally. So right now, the thing that I pick up with her is she’s a very head strong dog and when she wants something she will tell you. She will sit there sometimes at work. When she’s ready to go, she’ll sit there and look at me and do this cute little, I can’t even mimic it, it’s this cute little honk that she does. It sounds like a honk. It’s not a growl. It’s not a whine. She just pushes this sound out of her. And I’m like, that is Cadet being Cadet. Cadet’s on a schedule, she’s very routine, she loves her routine. So that could be a really good thing because she likes structure and she will react well to training, or she’ll be like I don’t want to do that, I’m not going to do that. So it could go either way. So that’s the one thing I noticed about her personality. She’s just super headstrong, and it works great when you’re training with her because she’s very determined. 

Claire: But she wouldn’t do well in a flexible –

Joy: Yeah, if it goes against her, that’s something where she’s like, “I don’t want to do this training. I don’t want to do this, I don’t like this routine.” That’s where I could see her not doing well. But she’s a dog, I think she’ll be fine. Yeah.

Claire: Right. Oh my goodness. I mean, you probably have learned so much, but I really had no idea that so much went into this whole process.

Joy: Oh yeah.

Claire: And I think to this day we give people who reach out to us, and not to say that, again not to call anybody out, but we get people who reach out to us who are like, “Hey, I have this puppy and I want to train him to be a service dog.” Or like, “Hey, I just adopted a rescue and I want to train him to be a service dog,” and it’s like, that’s not how that works. 

Joy: That’s not how it works.

Claire: You can train a dog to do a lot of these behaviors, but it’s not the same thing as having a certified service dog that has been trained from birth.

Joy: Yeah, and I think it would be important – I haven’t watched it yet because I have this weird thing, I don’t like to watch movies with dogs because I just cry too much. So I’m like, if you watch Pick of the Litter, what I’ve heard is, it’s really good showing people what it’s like to train a service animal. People can email me and ask questions if you want, but the one thing I’ll say. Why can’t I just train my dog to be a service dog is because you don’t know the temperament of what that dog is going to be from a puppy. Yes, train your dog. Train your dog. I think it’s a good pet parent to train your dog. Make it have manners. Crate your dog. Train your dog. Blah blah blah. Do all those things. Wonderful, you’ll have a well-behaved dog. You will be happy. The dog will be happy. The dog likes structure. But let’s say you just adopt this dog and you’re like I want it to be a service dog, the dog may not like crowds. The dog may not get along with other dogs. The dog may bark at other dogs. The dog may be stressed out when it goes into a store. You just don’t know these things, so you can’t fit a square peg into a round hole type of scenario, which is why I think it’s so great that CCI raises these puppies, they go to advanced training, they determine if it’s ethical for the dog to be a service animal. So you can never make –

Claire: Well like we were just talking about, even after two years of dedicated training, they sometimes still decide sometimes this dog is not, there’s some weird freak thing that’s not going to make this dog a good fit.

Joy: Yeah, so surface sensitivity. Like if dogs get surface sensitivity. JT kind of developed that a little bit in his older years. He doesn’t like slippery surfaces, and that developed over time. Again, doesn’t bother our work because we don’t need him to be like right next to us –

Claire: But if you had to take him with you everywhere and he had to open the doors for you in a hospital with slippery floors, yeah.

Joy: And he’ll go, like at work he goes on the slippery floors, but you can just tell he tries to hurry a little bit. He’s like, “I don’t like this.” So those types of things. If a dog develops some type of sensitivity or starts to have a prey drive, you just never know. Yeah, a lot goes into it, so if you see puppy raisers just give them a little wink and a nod because it’s a lot of work. We love it. We will always look back on 2020 and be like that’s the year that we got Cadet and we raised her, which is so cool. Instead of being like, yeah, this whole pandemic year. We just raised a dog for CCI.

Claire: Alright guys. Well, I think that’s it for this week.

Joy: Yeah.

Claire: We have some bigger topics we’re going to cover in the coming weeks. We’re going to take a break from voice memos. We ended up not getting too many voice memos about superstitions. If you guys are like, “But I sent in a voice memo.” 

Joy: We love you for it.

Claire: We love you for it, and we listened to them, and we loved them, and we just didn’t have quite enough to make a segment out of it. And it also made us realize, you know what, we need to take a little break. You guys kind of feel a little tired of sending in your voice memos. So in the next couple of weeks, we’re going to be talking a little bit more about reviving some old Girls Gone WOD themes around body image and around diet culture.

Joy: A lot of good topics.

Claire: A lot of great topics. People always want marriage hacks. We’re going to be talking a little bit more about that. We’ll continue to talk about politics. I think as we get through Biden’s first 100 days, we’ll have a lot to talk about.

Joy: Yep. Very important things.

Claire: I’ll be continuing to give you some updates on climate policy and all of that. We’re also going to try and get a few more interviews here in the next couple of months. It’s been hard with COVID. Even though we’ve always done interviews on Skype, the demand on people for doing digital anything is just so high.

Joy: They’re just so tired.

Claire: That it’s been weirdly hard to get, even when people are doing more Zoom and Skype meetings than ever, people don’t want anymore.

Joy: You just have screen fatigue. You’re like I don’t want to be on screen more.

Claire: Totally screen fatigue. Totally. We have so many things coming up in the next couple of months, and we are excited to just be here to chat with you guys. So send us anything that you want to talk about. We always really, really love that. Because sometimes we get to the point where we’re like, what are we going to talk about this week.

Joy: Yeah, send us questions, send us ideas.

Claire: Yeah.

Joy: Send us ideas. We love answering questions.

Claire: We hope you guys are having a great week, and we’ll talk to you next week.

Joy: Thanks guys.

Claire: Bye.

Joy: Bye.

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