It’s another bonus episode! Will Lanier of Outwod and Mom Sandy (our podcast mom, lawyer, and best friend) chat with Joy over Zoom. We discuss a lot of politics, have a lot of feelings, and connect over the loss of our love language this pandemic year. Oh, also? Never say “new normal” ever again, Sandy is begging you. It’s a long episode with a lot of layers, we’d describe this entire episode as a #mood.