Feelings about Roe v Wade overturn (so far) and listener Q&A
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This is Joy & Claire Episode 133: It’s A Lot
Episode Date: June 30, 2022
Transcription Completed: August 19, 2022
Audio Length: 43:18 minutes
Joy: Hey guys. This is Joy.
Claire: Are you sure?
Joy: I’m not sure anymore.
Claire: This is Claire. We’re here. It’s Thursday. We’re doing it.
Joy: We are recording just mere moments before we are releasing this. We really had to pack it in. Your internet was out on Monday.
Claire: Yeah. And then happy birthday to Scott yesterday.
Joy: Oh man, it was a rough birthday. We have to do a do-over. I’m not going to say what happened because it’s private. But it was more of a lot of weird things happened.
Claire: Was there marital strife?
Joy: No, No, no, no, no. Some family stuff that came up.
Claire: Okay. Not hot goss?
Joy: Not hot goss. I wish I could be like, “Oh, it’s hot goss,” but it’s more like I don’t want to share that stuff. But it’s a hard day for him, and then work was really busy. And then I just made the most horrible mistake. I ordered us dinner. He’s really stressed and really busy, so I’m going to order us dinner. He was just in the mood – you know that mood where you’re like, “What do you want for dinner?” “I don’t know. Just do something.” Alright, this is a moment where I just need to take action and not ask him for what he wants and just guess what he might like. Which I know at this point. But ordered dinner. I was so flustered. We are all dealing with things, guys. So yesterday I was also a little bit distracted and flustered, so I put in the order on Uber Eats and forgot to put in my address. So the address line just had a Geo tag. Which I just wasn’t paying attention because I thought that Uber Eats had saved my address, which it does on my account.
Joy: It does on my account.
Claire: So where did it go? Did they drop it in a field near your house?
Joy: He dropped it in a field near my house.
Claire: Are you serious?
Joy: I’m not kidding. He sent me the photo. It was in a field by this random gate that was nowhere near a house.
Claire: Oh my gosh.
Joy: And here’s the other thing. While the delivery was happening and I wasn’t paying attention to where it was on the map – you know how you can track where they are? I wasn’t paying attention to my phone. And stupid me has all of my notifications silenced for my calls that are from numbers – like if I get a call from a number that I don’t have saved in my phone, then I don’t get a ring.
Claire: Of course. Yeah.
Joy: So it wasn’t ringing, and the guy was trying to call me.
Claire: Do you really want your food delivered to a field.
Joy: Yeah. So he was doing due diligence. And I wasn’t paying attention to my phone. I saw these missed calls. Anyway, needless to say, the food ended up in a random field. I saw loosely where it ended up and I was like, I’m not about to go get it.
Claire: Did you know where it was?
Joy: Yeah. I knew where it was. It was probably like two miles from my house. So I was like, well, that was a loss. So we didn’t get the food we wanted. So I throw a fit because I’m like, ugh, this day is the worst. We need a birthday do-over. I’m sorry Scott. It was a birthday fail.
Claire: So is there still sushi sitting in a field right now?
Joy: Yeah, it was a great meal from Vital Root.
Claire: Oh no.
Joy: Yeah, I know. I really hope someone picked it up and enjoyed it. That’s all I can think about.
Claire: A similar thing happened to me last week. I ordered Door dash. I work right downtown, so there really is no reason I should be ordering Door Dash. But I had meetings all through lunch, so I just wasn’t going to be able to leave. So I Door Dashed from… we’re talking like a half a mile away. There’s a ton of office buildings all in that area. They sent me a picture that was like, “Okay, I dropped it off at the front desk.” I was like, that’s not our front desk! That’s not our floors.
Joy: I hate that. And actually, to be fair, that’s the only time that’s happened to me. But we do have the opposite problem of someone in this neighborhood has a very similar address to us. So our house faces a street called 30th. But our other cross street is Lamar. People in Denver, don’t come at me. But our address is Lamar. Our garage faces Lamar. But our house faces 320th.
Claire: Your front door is hard to find.
Joy: It’s very hard. People pass it all the time. I always tell people, “I don’t mean to overexplain my address, but people pass it all the time.” Anyway, we have the opposite problem where food constantly gets delivered to our house. I try to catch it as much as possible. People will be coming up to our door with food, and I’m opening the door like, ‘No, no, no, you have the wrong house.” I try to save it. But there’s been a few times where people have delivered food to our backyard gate because that faces Lamar. Note to drivers, the door has to face the street that it’s on for that to be the street address. Do you understand?
Joy: Our house door does not face Lamar. Anyway, so we constantly get this food delivery, and it’s all the time. We get plumbers showing up at our house. And I will say, I think it’s in Edgewater. It’s just a couple blocks down. You have to look at Lamar Street verses Lamar Avenue or whatever. We haven’t figured out yet who it is. But I should probably just become friends with that person so that I can call them and be like, “Do you have a food delivery? Because we have it.”
Claire: Honestly, you should follow them to the right house and be like, “Hi.”
Joy: Yeah, now that I think about it, a couple of years ago – because this has been going on for quite some time. I actually found the person somehow – because they gave us the address – I think I found the person on Facebook and was like, “Hey.” I should go back in my messages and see if they are still there. They never responded. Oh, that’s what it was. We got this huge J.Crew delivery, and I was like, oh no, this is really important.
Joy: That’s it. Now I’m remembering. Scott actually went and drove it over to the person’s house because he felt so bad.
Claire: Right, this is hundreds of dollars’ worth of clothes.
Joy: Yes. So he actually went and found the house and delivered it. So that’s been the saga.
Claire: I wonder if it’s the same one.
Joy: Birthday saga and food delivery saga. So yeah, we’re recording this the day before we’re releasing it. A lot is going on in the world. We polled people to see what you wanted us to talk about. You know, one nice person said, “Talk about what you guys feel like talking about.” And I really appreciate that, but sometimes it also helps to be like, “What do you guys really need?”
Claire: Right. A lot of the reason we do podcast is kind of selfish. It’s helpful for us to process things. Then Joy and I get to hang out. Also, to be clear, Joy and I only see each other in real life –
Joy: Maybe once a month?
Claire: – once a year.
Joy: Well, we’ve been trying better –
Claire: Non podcast related.
Joy: Oh, that’s true. That’s true.
Claire: We get together and do those photos.
Joy: Yeah, but that’s not like hanging out, hanging out. We do content and then we’re like, “Bye.”
Claire: We’re together for like 40 minutes and then we leave. But other than that, we only see each other socially maybe once a year.
Joy: You know, that really bothers Scott. He seems to think that – and he’s so funny, like the opinions he has about our podcast. He’s always like, “Don’t you miss recording in person?” I’m like, yeah, but you do realize that we haven’t recorded in person in years?
Claire: It’s been like five years.
Joy: He’ll always be like, “Why don’t you go over there and record in person?” I’m like, do you understand the logistics it would take to make that happen?
Claire: I live 45 minutes away from you.
Joy: Yeah, and the recording setup we would have to redo. Logistics of people managing. It’s really funny how he really wants us to be together.
Claire: Aw, Scott.
Joy: The other quick update that I want to give is, hey guys, I’m doing a little bit better this week. Last week was a real rough one. Thank you so much to everyone who wrote in. And if we have time today, I want to read some of the emails. I don’t know if we will have time today, but in a future episode we can read some of the really nice emails people wrote. Really lovely, compassionate stories about breaking down in airports, which just makes me feel less alone, and I really appreciate that.
Claire: I feel like when you’re doing it, when you’re having your breakdown in an airport, you feel like, oh my God, this is so embarrassing. I’m the only person who couldn’t keep it Goethe.
Joy: Or having a breakdown anywhere.
Claire: Anywhere. But also, I feel like in an airport in particular you’re surrounded by strangers, and you can’t get away.
Joy: For sure. Like the time I had a breakdown crying in Whole Foods, I could just leave and go home.
Claire: Right. You can go sit in your car and gather yourself. At the airport, you cannot leave.
Joy: No, you’re stuck.
Claire: I think it’s actually a more common thing. And also, obviously with Roe v. Wade being overturned last week, it’s been a very intense week. As you guys know, we are extremely pro-choice. We are not going to mince words about that. I know and appreciate that abortion is a very contentious topic. I am not here to convince you whether you should be pro-choice or pro-life because I know that really the crux of the issue is when an embryo or a fetus become a person and a baby and a human. That is a philosophical question that no one will ever be able to answer. You can have the most deeply-held belief about that, but it’s not a question that has an empirical answer. I also know, there’s a lot of very well thought out written pieces out there about how legally and medically, the crux of the question is whether or not you can use your body to keep someone else alive. But I think the crux between pro-choice and pro-life really tends to be around that question of when do you start considering this embryo or fetus to be a person, and that’s not something we’re ever going to be able to convince you about. And that’s not what we’re here to do.
Joy: Right. No part of our podcast, I think – and I’m sure there’s times where we’ve failed at it, just because we’re human and our emotions get the best of me. I’m not going to speak for you – where it may feel preachy. That’s just something that’s going to happen. Because my human nature is I feel passionate about certain things. But it’s never to a point of trying to convince people that we’re right. That’s never ever what we want. It’s important for us to be a platform of empowering women and speaking our truth and sharing our stories in hopes that it helps other people. We’ve always said this, even when we talked about Trump being in office and the really difficult four years of having him be our president. That drew a lot of negativity. I think what I realized is that issues like this are just so polarizing, and there’s just so much more to it than a side A and a side B. Immediately when we go to talk about this topic, it’s like pro-choice, pro-life. Those two words have very specific meanings in people’s minds. Where the grey area is just so vast that I think we’d be doing a disservice if we just whittled it down to those two points.
Claire: I agree. And the reason that I bring that up is just to say, I know that there are deeply-held belief systems that inform people’s opinions on that. But I also think the reality is that we support abortion for any reason. I know that there are a myriad of medical, very intense, important, life-threatening things for which abortion is needed. And also, I think you should be able to get an abortion to terminate a pregnancy without being in a life-threatening situation.
Joy: Exactly. Exactly. That’s a very important point to talk about of where our stance is.
Claire: Yeah. I think that anyone with a uterus should be able to end that pregnancy for any reason. I know there is a part to that argument where people will say, “So you think that people should just be able to abort their babies at 8 months.” The reality is that the vast majority of abortions happen within 8 weeks. The very late term “abortions” are almost without exception people who have received devastating news about the health of that fetus. I don’t want to go into all these what-about-ism arguments. The reality is that that is a conversation and a decision that should be personal between that pregnant person and that pregnant person’s family and doctor. No something that random strangers on the internet should be pretending to know what that’s like, should be pretending to take the high and mighty ground above whatever they think that someone else should be doing. Ultimately, this is a religious belief that people hold that should not be managed by the government.
Joy: Right. The thing that keeps coming up in my mind is how the government is so hell bent and made this horrible decision to govern women’s bodies where medical necessity is not defined, and medical necessity is not to be determined by the f’ing government.
Claire: Even when it’s not medically necessary.
Joy: Right, right. But I’m saying –
Claire: All of the above.
Joy: All of the above. That is something to me that when they start to open that can of worms and all the other thing that are now on the table, which don’t even get me started, are being overturned scares me. But the medical professionals are not the ones driving these decisions with their patients. This is a discussion, again, patient and medical provider get to decide together what works best for them and what their choice is together. Now the government has decided this is going to happen, sorry. I’m not sure if anyone listened to The Daily this week where they reported from four abortion clinics of what happened immediately. The immediate effect on women’s lives. It’s devastating. Not even the patients, the people who work at these clinics who had to make the phone calls, the nurses that are coming in holding people’s hands as they’re crying saying, “What do I do?” It’s really overwhelming. I think the part that is really hard for me to grasp, and I’ve been thinking a lot about this – I don’t really want to go into it a lot on the podcast, but how my entire life I’ve assumed this is my right and this is my choice, and that my reproductive health is something that I can control and I can make a decision about. There are things that I’ve been thinking about a lot over my – and family or friends that are listening, please don’t listen to this part because I don’t want you to hear this about me. But my sexual health and the sexual choices that I’ve made in my life that have resulted in decisions that I have had to make, or at least had options to was something that I always assumed would be there for me. And has been there for me.
Claire: Right. Whether that is birth control, whether that is IVF, I think the implications of this, to your point, feeling that comfort of knowing if something unexpected were to happen I would have some options. And then suddenly that not being the case anymore.
Joy: Right. And as a woman in my 20’s, I just think back to some instances where that was always there for me. Even now up to my 40’s. I’m saying the young me that went through some stuff, that was always there for me. It’s just so hard to think now there’s young women – any woman, but I think what I go to is the young women who are growing up in a world where now this is not an option. Listen, at 45 I’m not really in my prime of reproduction years. But what I’m saying is for the majority of my reproductive years, I had that choice.
Claire: At least it’s on the table.
Joy: I’m struggling to talk about it in a way that’s not too vague because there’s things I don’t really want to share. But I think what it is is there’s a part of me, if you’re feeling like things are coming up where you feel a little bit traumatized – now, it feels like such a loss. I walk around grocery stores and stores now where I’m looking at other women going – it’s almost as if we have this sisterhood that’s unspoken where I’m looking at every person that I walk by. We live in this world now where we kind of have to fight a little bit harder. It’s not to say that this is new. I don’t think any of this is really new, but it’s really a big blow. It’s a lot.
Claire: It’s a lot.
Joy: I don’t have the right words, but it’s just a lot. I think that now we’re just trying to plug into where we can go next that’s going to make a difference. At least, that’s what’s been on my mind.
Claire: Yeah, I think it’s a lot. It makes me feel like, will we ever get to a place where things in this country really feel safe, really feel like we are headed in a trajectory that feels positive. I think on top of the very real ways that this affects us personally as women, it affects the people that we know and affects the people we love and care about and will affect Evie one day. Apart from those really real things that keep us awake at night, there’s also the bigger picture of, wow, this just feels like another blow with the ax to the stability that we once felt. For me, that stability really blew up at the beginning of the pandemic. I know I’ve talked about this before, but for me, the biggest thing during the pandemic was it blew up the feeling I had of “someone has a plan.” I always assumed that if something bad were to really happen, someone – some agency out there for something, someone has a plan for this, and the grownups are going to show up. And they never did.
Joy: They never did. I think about that too. Someone has got to figure this out for us. Someone has got to be the leader.
Claire: No. Still to this day, we are all just making it up as we go. That, to me, was a huge wakeup call. Wow, there is not a safety net. There will always be a safety net for wealthy, well-connected people. But there is not a comprehensive plan here for any of this. Over the last few years I have just felt that more and more every time something happens. This has made me feel that even more. There is nobody out there that is looking out for us. I feel that way as a person of immense privilege. I know we say this, and to come people sounds like lip service. But I do try to recognize how if I feel this way how other people in even more vulnerable positions must feel. It’s just a really hard time right now. I think the past week, I know I found myself getting really upset about things at the drop of a hat. I felt really anxious all the time. I have felt alternately not able to sleep and then really exhausted and all I want to do is sleep. I mean, it really is like the type of response you through during a trauma.
Joy: For sure. I mean, I’ve been having nightmares about it. It’s a lot. The three Instagram accounts that are giving me hope right now, that I just feel like I need someone to lead the charge at least, to kind of make me feel like, “We’re going to be okay guys.” Guys, girls, people, is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Her account has been really helpful. She’s kind of like, “Here’s the action we need to take, guys.”
Claire: She’s great.
Joy: She’s great. And @faministfabulous on Instagram. Liz Plank. She is actually Canadian, but she does amazing journalism. She always has the right things to say in my opinion, the things I need to hear with some humor at times. I just need that. And then the Planned Parenthood accounts. Because I’m just like, they’ve got the finger on the pulse of what is going on. I signed up to volunteer, which is a really easy thing that you can do because there’s so many ways that you can volunteer, and they plug you in really quickly with how you can show up and volunteer that is a space that feels doable for you. That’s not for everybody. That was just something where I was like, okay, let’s see where I can help with this. They also have awesome onboarding for volunteers of how you can participate. And continuing to educate, be an activist, donate. But I think this morning there was another part of me that was like, I feel like I’m training for war. My mindset is in this mode of – I know this sounds really stupid, but I started lifting weights really heavy this week. Like, I needed to feel powerful and strong. I haven’t really been lifting a lot. I started lifting a lot of weights this week. Put pink in my hair for this f- normal crap. I always do that, but this week especially, I was like, it’s going back in. Those are my weird rebel things that I need to do to keep the energy going in my mind. Otherwise, I will crawl into a hole and be sad. I think this morning I was like, yes, I can be sad, but I don’t think we have the time to rest anymore. I don’t care how tired I am. Now, I just have to push through it and be like, we’ve got to face this. This is no f-ing around.
Joy: We agreed on the podcast that we were not going to talk about this the whole hour, but we wanted to address it. This will be an ongoing conversation obviously. This is just the beginning. We feel you, and we are here for you.
Claire: Alright, so we asked for some questions. We’re going to take a sharp right turn and get into some funny, quirky, random questions.
Joy: Some brain breaks.
Claire: Also you guys, I would strongly consider this summer doing an old season of Bake Off. I know we’ve threatened to do that before. But I would really consider it.
Joy: Watch out.
Claire: So my initial instinct was, we should go back to the very first season. I don’t think we have that available to us in the US. We have limited distribution on Netflix where we get the newer ones but only some of the older ones. I have a season in mind that I love, which is the one with Nadiya and Flora is there. I just loved that season a lot, so maybe we’ll go back and do that one. And just release it all in a batch.
Joy: Yeah, that’s true. I would want to let people know so that they can watch along.
Claire: Yeah. But also, maybe if you’re like me and you’re a big Bake Off fan, you’re watching an episode all the time.
Joy: Oh, okay.
Claire: I use it as a comfort zone, for sure.
Claire: But yeah, we would need to go back and watch it, and then we could just release them all in a batch. Or release two or three at a time since we aren’t waiting the week. So you could watch a couple at night and then listen to the podcast the next day on your commute. So I would really leek to do that. And maybe I will bake some of the technicals, but not all of them.
Joy: That’s a good idea. Okay, great.
Claire: Speaking of baking. This person says, what are your go-to recipes when you’re asked to bring a dish to share?
Joy: Well, you have one, I’m sure.
Claire: I feel like my answer to this question is, in my dream life where I have time to actually make something, it’s probably along the lines of banana bread or muffins. A dessert type… pie. But in my real life where I just have to grab something, I’ll bring chips and guac or a watermelon. But I feel like being able to make good guacamole can get you so far in life. I feel like Antony saying that. I feel like he would say that.
Joy: That’s true.
Claire: So if you can make good guacamole, I would say that. I think I make good guacamole, even though avocados are like $3 per avocado in Colorado. So I haven’t been making guacamole very much lately. But I would say that’s my main thing I bring.
Joy: It’s been a while since I’ve gone to an event where I’ve had to bring food. I usually bring beverages. However in my 20’s, I was a baker. I was baking a lot. I was making cupcakes for people. I don’t know if it was the oven that I had that had the perfect temperature and pressure and altitude, but it would always make the best cupcakes and I would always bring them into work. And everyone would be like, “These are the best cupcakes I’ve ever had.” And I would be like, they’re boxed. I don’t know what the secret is. But I would always make this cherry bar dessert that my mom gave me this recipe. It was super easy, and I would always make it because it would only take m less than an hour. Everyone freaking loved it.
Joy: I’ll have to get the recipe and see if I can post it. It was great, and it was super easy.
Claire: I will also add that if we’re having a dinner party and I have to make an entree for a lot of people, chicken enchiladas. Very into chicken enchiladas.
Joy: Love it.
Claire: Okay. Would you rather have no teeth or no fingernails.
Joy: Hmm. Probably no teeth because that’s the first thing people notice about you is your smile.
Claire: You would rather have no teeth?
Joy: Oh, I would rather have teeth. Sorry.
Joy: No fingernails.
Claire: Yeah, I think no fingernails. Generally. Although, teeth are easier to get fake ones. But I feel like that’s not really the spirit of the question.
Joy: Don’t be that person that’s like, “Neither.” Never DM us and say “neither” by the way. Never. Never never. Just kidding.
Claire: I think maybe we’ve answered a similar question to this recently. If you had to live anywhere other than the USA, where would you each choose?
Joy: Oh, yeah, I think we did talk about this. I think I said Costa Rica. But then someone wrote me and was like, “You don’t want to live in Costa Rica.” But let me just dream life it.
Claire: Can I just pretend?
Joy: Yeah. Let me just pretend. Maybe I’d live in France because I speak a little French. Put that to use.
Claire: I would move to Mexico I think in a little expat beach town. Or in my dreams, I would love to live in Iceland where women have tons of rights.
Joy: That’s a good point.
Claire: Somebody just wrote, “What’s the plan for this?”
Joy: What is the plan for this?
Claire: What is the plan? Gestures to everything.
Joy: Gestures to everything.
Claire: Meagan wants to know our best dad jokes. I don’t have any good dad jokes, but I do need to tell you guys that Miles thinks that he can make dad jokes and just comes up with words plays. What was a funny one that he did recently… he’ll basically just start words with other letters. I can’t think of an example now. But maybe instead of saying “orange,” he’ll be like, “Mom, I have a joke. Are you going to eat that pl-orange? Was that a good dad joke?” Is this sort of like his knock knock joke era where he would just be like, “Knock knock.” Who’s there? And he’s just like, “Pizza.” Pizza, who? “Pizza pizza.”
Joy: Oh my gosh. I love that he’s making up his own jokes.
Claire: I know. It’s very funny. How do you construct the perfect taco? Or other food if you have something else that you prefer. First of all, let’s start with this question. Are you a soft taco person or a hard taco person?
Joy: I really prefer hard tacos. I don’t discriminate with the hard and soft tacos, but I really love hard tacos.
Claire: I also love a hard taco. It’s like a chip.
Joy: Yeah, it’s true. That’s what it is. That’s what it is. It feels like a chip.
Claire: I am surprised that we are both choosing hard tacos. Okay, do you like beans or no beans?
Claire: I could take or leave beans. Rice in the taco or on the side?
Joy: I’m going to put it on the side.
Claire: I agree. What type of meat are you going for?
Joy: I’m going to go for beef. Ground beef.
Claire: I like a fried fish or a shrimp, but carnitas is mostly my go-to.
Joy: I was going to say you’re a carnitas person.
Claire: What type of salsa?
Claire: Like a pico?
Joy: Yeah. Sometimes I’ll do more spicy, but I don’t like spicy spicy salsa.
Claire: I love a green salsa. I love spicy. I love chunky. I want it to be chunky. Are you chunky or smooth salsa?
Joy: I’d probably go towards chunky.
Joy: All of these, I’m like, you can’t go wrong with tacos. So it’s really hard for me. But if you want me to –
Claire: The perfect one.
Claire: Any other toppings?
Joy: I do like lettuce. And if I’m going for cheese, I do like some cheese in there.
Claire: What about guacamole?
Joy: Of course.
Claire: I feel like I’ve actually gotten to the point where I prefer just a bowl of chips and guac and no guac on the taco.
Claire: I want an unadulterated guac experience.
Claire: But I love a pickled red onion.
Claire: I love a pickled red onion. That was a great question, thank you. This is also from Meagan. What would be the ideal weather if Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs was real? Have you seen that movie?
Joy: No, I haven’t.
Claire: Do you know the premise? The premise is that this inventor creates this machine that he accidentally shoots into a cloud so that he can program it to rain any type of food. So what type of food would you want to rain? Or then one day they had a snow day, and it was ice cream.
Joy: Probably pancakes. Anything breed, Any type of carb can rain from the sky. By the way, all of these question, you guys really showed up for us.
Claire: You really really did.
Joy: I was so happy reading all these questions. This is the exact balance of life that we need right now.
Claire: It really is. So many food-related questions. You guys really know us. I think I would choose – so I have two options here. The food I would really want to eat if it fell from the sky would be popcorn or something that you can just, “Ahhh” catch in your mouth.
Joy: That reminds me of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. It was the bubbles. That was the fizzy lifting drink. Oh – the lickable wallpaper. That was amazing. I always was like, what does that really taste like? I really thought I wanted to live in that world.
Claire: I feel like it would not be that hard to make a lickable wallpaper.
Joy: It probably already exists actually.
Claire: Yeah, and it probably just ends up being sticky and weird. It’s like the fruit roll up stuck to your wall. I think the sensory experience I would want would be noodles. I would love to just squish around. I don’t know.
Joy: Oh, okay.
Claire: I wouldn’t eat them though.
Joy: Oh, okay.
Claire: This person, coming in hot with the outerwear questions. If you could only wear one coat for the rest of your life, which coat would you choose?
Joy: Do you have one? You’re such a coat person.
Claire: It’s got to be a light-ish to mid-weight puffy jacket. Like a nano puff. It’s the most versatile.
Joy: I will share this disgusting coat that I have that I won’t get rid of, that’s Scott’s always like, “This is so dirty.” But I won’t get rid of it because I love it so much. It’s this Nike special edition puffer jacket. It’s a pullover, but there are zippers on the sides so that you can vent if you need to. It zips all the way up to your armpit on each side, so if it gets too hot you can vent. It also has a roo pouch in front that zips so I can put all my dog necessities there. And then the neck, it’s like a half zip. It zips up your neck so it kind of covers your neck as well. It’s the best jacket, but I’ve had it for so long. I’ve washed it a few times, but it’s never the total same from when you first get it. And he’s always like, “When are you going to throw that out?” I’m like, when I find one exactly like this. I have yet to find one exactly like this.
Claire: I will be buried in this jacket, Scott.
Joy: It’s the best. I would wear that forever.
Claire: Do you sleep with socks or no socks?
Joy: It depends. I would say 90% of my life, no socks. But if I am not feeling great and I’m sick and I put something on my feet – I don’t know, they do the Vick’s on your feet trick or whatever. Which I know you hate putting things on your feet. Or if it’s a really, really cold night, then I’ll put socks on my feet. I don’t like the socks feeling.
Claire: I agree. I sleep in socks when I’m camping. Otherwise, no socks unless it’s freezing cold outside for some reason.
Joy: I like this one. Emotional support movie. Aka what movie can you always watch and never get tired of? I have three major ones.
Claire: Okay, what are they?
Joy: Mean Girls. Obviously. Clueless. Oh my gosh, I just lost it. Mean Girls, Clueless…
Claire: Legally Blonde?
Joy: Yes, thank you. Legally Blonde.
Claire: I would say Midnight in Paris, Walter Mitty, and Chocolat. They are all very wanderlusty and jazzy. Joy and Claire switch bodies for a week. No one must find out. How would that go?
Joy: Oh, man. I better learn how to bake or really love iced coffee.
Claire: You’re going to have to memorize the karate schedule.
Joy: Yeah, I’m going to have to memorize the karate schedule and bedtime and what time everybody gets up and schedules of to and fro. Work schedule. Your meetings, your calls.
Claire: Yeah, I have a lot of schedules.
Joy: A lot of schedules to manage.
Claire: A lot of schedules to manage. I think it would be great. I think I would just go for runs and see what it feels like to –
Joy: To like running?
Claire: To like running. You can go for a run and understand why I hate it.
Claire: I wonder if they’ve thought about that. Like, if you could just run a quarter mile in my body, you would understand why I hate it so much.
Joy: That’s so funny. That’s actually a good experiment to be like, “Now you understand.”
Claire: Right. If Joy was a dog type, what type would she be and why? And vice versa. So if you were a dog type…
Joy: It’s really hard for me to not say a Lab or a Golden because that’s always what I’m around.
Claire: I just feel like you’re not dopey. I know that your Labs aren’t dopey, but as a breed Labs and Goldens are a little bit dopey. And you also don’t just indiscriminate like people as much as Labs and Goldens
Joy: That’s true.
Claire: Yeah. I feel like you would be –
Joy: Like a French Bulldog?
Claire: Yeah. Or a German Shepherd or something that’s really loyal to the people it’s loyal to but doesn’t care about other people.
Joy: I’m going to say German Shepherd then for sure. That tracks.
Claire: And it’s not that you don’t like other people. You just don’t care.
Joy: Oh no, you can say that. That’s very accurate about me.
Claire: Right. It’s more of an apathy towards people who are outside of your little pack.
Joy: For sure.
Claire: What about me?
Joy: Something like a Corgi or…
Claire: [laughing] I do love Corgis.
Joy: Corgis are so cute and so smart. They are just kind of like –
Joy: Yeah, like royal. The queen will only tolerate… I don’t know. I just feel like that would be –
Claire: I’ll take a Corgi. I don’t really know what I thought you were going to say, but Corgi wasn’t it. I’ll take it.
Joy: Okay, great.
Claire: Okay. Actually somebody else had a good dog question. Let me see if I can find it. Someone asked what breed of dog would we be, like asking ourselves. So I feel like that covers that as well. About dog breeds for busy, laid back, homebodies. How are you a busy and laid-back homebody?
Joy: I feel like Greyhounds are really good for –
Claire: Oh, my friend Heather has two Greyhounds. She just got a second Greyhound. Hi, Heather. Her first dog is named Fern, and she’s so sweet. They just got another one named Rita, and they’re all retired greyhound racers.
Joy: That’s my dream at one point in my life. And I know they are less and less available, I think.
Claire: No, they’re actually still pretty available.
Joy: Oh, really? Because I talked to the framing company that I go to near my house that I go when I need pictures framed. They rescue Greyhounds. She was like, “Yeah, they are not as available right now because they are not breeding them as much,” I don’t know. But they are the best dogs to just lounge around. They’re not super active.
Claire: I agree. You think about them being super fast. But they can sprint for like five seconds, and they’re asleep the rest of the day. And they’re really sweet. I will say, Heather has told me – she’s had this problem and has told me it’s a common problem. If you have a rescue Greyhound, they are not all that socialized when they are being trained for racing. They are also trained to race by really honing in on their prey drive because they’re chasing that bunny thing.
Joy: Yep, yep.
Claire: So it’s hard to find one who is going to be good with cats in the house. A lot of them eventually are find with kids. But they have a longer adjustment period because they’re not all that socialized because you want them to ignore everything going on around them when they’re racing. An interesting fact that Heather actually told me is that if you rescue a Greyhound racer dog, they will never tell you the dog’s real name.
Joy: Oh, that’s interesting.
Claire: They give them a code name because they don’t want someone to call their name from the stands and them get distracted.
Joy: Oh, that’s so interesting.
Joy: That’s super interesting.
Claire: So the dogs don’t really know their names because they’re called different name call the time.
Joy: Yeah, wow.
Claire: The trainer has a name for them, but that trainer never tells the name to anyone else.
Joy: That’s so interesting. It’s like a kill word when the dogs are working with the police department need to kill someone. Not kill. You guys know that. That just got real dark.
Claire: The other one I have heard great things about are Great Danes. They are really laid back. The problem is that they only live to be like eight or nine.
Claire: Our next-door neighbor has a Rhodesian Ridgeback who is so chill.
Joy: Oh. I had a friend with one that wasn’t.
Claire: Really the caveat here obviously is every dog is different, and it really depends on how you train your dog. But this next-door neighbor, the dog’s name is Mo. It’s this 110 lb. Rhodesian Ridgeback. And Mo and River are BFFs. Mo will come to our front door. Our front door at our new house, the top half is no panes. And Mo is tall enough that he comes to the door and puts his head up. You can see him standing outside the front door in front of the window. Our driveways touch with the neighbors. They let him out and he walks over, and they watch him from their front porch.
Joy: Oh, he just comes and says hello.
Claire: He basically comes over and knocks on the front door, “Hey, can River come out to play?”
Joy: That’s so cute.
Claire: And we let them out, and they wrestle in the front yard forever. It’s cute.
Joy: Love that.
Claire: They’ll play for a while, but Mo needs a lot of breaks.
Joy: Mo is like JT.
Claire: Mo is tired. He’s only like three.
Joy: But I appreciate people wanting to research personalities, breeds before you adopt or rescue a dog.
Claire: This person just shared a random thought with us, which I appreciate. Draught plus heat wave equals dead lawn. How can I take a shower on my lawn? Turn the sprinklers on. Run through the sprinklers.
Joy: Get yourself a cold shower. That’s actually really good for your health.
Claire: Get yourself some biodegradable soap. Probably a little bit of Dr. Bronner’s is not going to kill your lawn. Don’t quote me on that. But I have a feeling that your Dr. Bronner’s –
Joy: I think you’re fine. It probably says somewhere in all that text there, it’s okay for the lawn.
Claire: You can take that type of castile soap, that’s the type you’re supposed to take if you’re going camping because it dilutes in the river and isn’t toxic.
Joy: Oh cool.
Claire: But I don’t know if that translates into not killing your lawn.
Joy: Do not come at us if your lawn gets a yellow spot.
Claire: Okay, so people have asked this question before, but I like the addition. This is from Kelly. Who would play you in the Joy and Claire movie? And who would play Brandon and Scott?
Joy and Claire: [laughing]
Claire: We’ve talked about who we would want to play us.
Joy: Have we? Who did I pick before?
Claire: I think you picked Reese Witherspoon.
Joy: Okay. I kind of want Jessica Biel now. Jessica Biel, maybe JLo. I wouldn’t mind a JLo romcom.
Claire: Because I always say Maya Rudolph.
Joy: Oh yeah.
Claire: Even though she doesn’t look anything like me, I just want to be her really bad.
Joy: Tina Fey. Amy Poehler.
Claire: Any of those.
Joy: Any of those would be just fine.
Claire: Dax Shepard would obviously play Brandon because they are body doubles.
Joy: Any bald guy can play Scott. Apparently, they all look the same.
Claire: But which bald, white guy would you pick?
Joy: Probably Woody Harrelson because it’s so obvious, and he always gets that. People are like, “You look like Woody Harrelson.”
Claire: And Woody Harrelson is a good actor.
Joy: Sure is. I’ll take it.
Claire: Alright, let’s see. Everybody keeps asking me for would you rathers. I will try to come up with some in our stories. I can come up with it on the top of my head, but it’s been a while. I’m out of practice
Joy: Yeah. Oh, I really want to address this because this is really funny. This one made me laugh. They said, “Can’t remember what the bit was, but the game where Claire said, ‘He vapes now.’” That was from an episode in Girls Gone WOD where we asked to describe on a post, describe your ex –
Claire: Describe your first kiss.
Joy: Oh, describe your first kiss.
Claire: Describe your first kid in three words or less. And “he vapes now” was the funniest by far. We got some really good ones, but “he vapes now” was the most memorable, and that ended up being the title of the episode.
Joy: Scott still takes about that one. I think the listener out there is still listening. I think every once in a while, we hear from them. So please send us a message and be like, “I am the ‘he vapes now’ girl.”
Claire: That’s me, that’s me.
Joy: The post – I believe she said a preface to it, it was like, something something eighth grade, “he vapes now.” It’s so funny.
Claire: Yeah, behind the bleachers, he vapes now. Describe your first kiss in… maybe it was like one sentence or less. Something like that.
Joy: He vapes now. It’s so good. It’s what we need. I need to laugh. I need to laugh. Oh, God.
Claire: Alright guys, I think that’s it for this week.
Joy: Yeah, but we’ll answer the rest of your questions. Keep submitting them as we post because they are the best, and we will get to them at some point in the near future. Thank you to everyone who submitted their address that day when I was like, “I love sending cards. Anyone want a card in the mail?” I got so many addresses that it’s probably going to take me a year to get everyone a card. But I promise you, I will go through every address at some point this year, and you will get a card in the mail. It just might be a surprise because it’s been so long since you put your address in.
Claire: Because we’ll be in like February of 2023. We’ll be in a whole different world by then.
Joy: But just know, you will be getting one in the mail.
Joy: So don’t move.
Claire: Joy, I hope you screenshotted all those answers. Because Instagram is going to delete them.
Joy: I haven’t. How much time do I have? 30 days?
Claire: I think it’s, yeah, 30 or 90.
Joy: I’ll get on that today. Thank you for that because I would not have done that. I would have just relied on Instagram to save it. And then I would have let all of you down.
Claire: Thank you for hanging in there with us this week. You can find us online. Our Instagram is @joyandclaire_. You can go to joyandclaire.com. You can email us firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you for being here with us. Thank you for hanging in there. We have been through a lot together by this point guys, and we are not stopping any time soon. If you have a strong, strong, strong, strong Great British Baking Show season, please let us know. Yeah. This is a very strong threat this time to do an in-between throwback Bake Off season.
Joy: We are not kidding around. Would not kid about something like this.
Claire: Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Joy: Yes, yes.
Claire: Alright guys, talk to you next week.
Joy: Love you guys.
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